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2020.06.15 07:25 little-blue-alien AITA for disregarding someone's mixed race in an argument?

My (27) sister (Jess, 29) posted a sweet message on FB regarding Loving vs Virginia, as she, a full Asian woman, is engaged to a White/Mexican man. She explained how fortunate it is that she lives in a time where she can love any one, regardless of race. The supposed mistake of her post was that she indicated that her fiance (John, 24) is a white man instead of specifically saying he is half white/Mexican. Now, Jess and John told me that he's fine identifying himself as either white, mexican, or half. He also mentioned that his family never celebrated their Mexican heritage in the past anyway, so being called white is fine.
John's sister (Riley, 25?) decides to comment condescendingly at Jess to not conveniently forget that her brother's also brown just so it could fit her narrative. My sister messages me, upset, because it read as a jab to her when she's done nothing to deserve it. Riley has always been talking shit about my sister and our family for as long as Jess and John have been dating, mostly that our family is inferior to theirs because we're immigrants to the country. I never involved myself because it didn't seem appropriate, but I always let my sister vent to me about Riley. But this time, I actually got upset for Jess and confronted Riley under her condescending comment asking if she's trying to start shit with my sister. She denies it, and insists she just wanted to make sure that Jess acknowledges that she's marrying her half Mexican brother since mixed heritages are apparently swept under the rug in today's society. So I fired back that maybe she should carefully word her message if that's what she's trying to do since she basically just shamed my sister in a public forum for not being specific enough to her liking when her own brother doesn't even care. In the end, Riley claims she stands by what she said and that she was only defending her brother. Throughout the whole exchange, I called her out on her shitty behavior and poor choice of wording.
After that, I talked to John about his sister's disrespect of Jess and our family, and her superiority complex. I didn't care about them being mixed race, it looked to me like Riley was using it as an excuse to tear into Jess because she doesn't like her. He explains Riley's defensiveness, they recently learned that the reason their family doesn't celebrate their being Mexican is because their dad's side basically denounced their heritage when they immigrated to the US. He claims that Riley felt she was robbed of her mexican heritage and that's why she was doubling down on my sister for forgetting to include that.
The way I see it, that's none of our concern. I don't care about his sister's hangups on being half Mexican. Their family being mixed had nothing to do with the main message on Jess's FB post on interracial love.
So I guess I'm wondering if I'm being an AH for disregarding Riley's feelings on their family's mixed heritage and confronting her for being shitty to my sister?
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2020.06.12 21:52 kanyesbathroommirror Happy Loving Day!

Just a friendly reminder that today is Loving Day, the anniversary of Loving v. Virginia which struck down anti-miscegenation (race-mixing) laws in the US. (Wikipedia)
As a bisexual woman who has dated people of many different races, I'm grateful for the ability to choose my partners based on the content of their character without worrying about the color of their skin.
I (31 white F) am engaged to a lovely 30 year old Asian dude. Anybody else out there in an awesome open interracial partnership?
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2020.05.03 19:23 Twisted-Razor My Review of "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner"

The film opens with a plane flying through the beautiful San Francisco skyline as the credits roll. We are then introduced to our main characters, John Prentice (played by Sidney Poitier) and Joey Drayton (played by Katharine Houghton), walking through the airport. A little over a minute in and we already see that they are a happy interracial couple, which was considered taboo during the late sixties.
Despite this, they look like any other happy couple from the time, obviously, they are both free-thinkers and don’t care about the social norms of the time.
The film seems like a parody of a standard couple of the time with the shock value being that they are an interracial couple.
Also, note the musical choice-- ‘The Glory of Love’ by Bette Midler. The lyrics somewhat represent the characters themselves, “And when the world is through with us, we’ve got each other's arms…” This can be interpreted as follows: despite the people of the time having their own thoughts on interracial relationships, the couple does not care because they have each other.
But I digress. As they get into a taxi, we get a very comedic scene of the couple kissing each other in the back seat. The driver seems almost shocked at this but continues to drive.
In their first conversation, we are introduced to the plot. John is about to meet Joey’s parents. We also see that he is a bit nervous, even trying to avoid it altogether. We also see that their visit will be a complete surprise to her parents. They didn’t tell them that they were coming. It also seems as if John has experienced racism in the past, and is afraid that Joey’s parents might be racist. However, Joey assures him otherwise.
We also get to see more of the beautiful San Francisco scenery. There’s something about the place that makes it perfect for many classics-- Vertigo, Dirty Harry, The Maltese Falcon, and, of course, San Francisco from 1936.
They go to her mother’s place of work and we are given views of some amazing artwork. John seems enticed by a kinetic sculpture. We are introduced to her mother’s receptionist-- Hilary St. George (played by Virginia Christine).
When she meets John for the first time, Hilary is taken aback. She is able to stay civil but is obviously in shock. When Joey says that she’s back in town, Hilary even asks if everything is alright. She has an obvious stutter and an ingenious yet frozen smile across her face.
She says that Joey’s mother is out for lunch. She also mentions Joey and John’s trip to Hawaii, this clears up where they came from.
They go back in the taxi and are off to her mother’s house. I would also like to note how brilliant the rear-projection effects are during the taxi scenes. Normally it’s just still footage of the background moving along behind them, but here we see the background zooming around, this achieves the effect of the car seemingly speeding down a bumpy road.
They are dropped off and John puts on a strange hat. I can’t tell if it is purposefully strange or not, but it really is weird. It seems like a straw top-hat. I thought it was quite odd.
Anyway, we are introduced to Tillie (played by Isabel Sanford). She is the housekeeper and is also African-American (like John). She is somewhat reminiscent of Hattie McDaniel’s character as a mammy in the classic film ‘Gone With the Wind’.
We also briefly see Dorothy (played by Barbara Randolph).
John asks to use a phone to call his parents and goes to the study. The door is shut and he is alone. He obviously is nervous and afraid to meet her parents.
We cut to Tillie scolding Joey for dating a black man (despite them being the same race). In this scene, Christine utters the unfortunate phrase-- “You’re just as black as he is.” She doesn’t say it in a spiteful or racist way, but more naively. As if she doesn’t know that what she said was wrong.
Christina’s mother (played by Kathrine Hepburn) comes home and is concerned for Joey since she made the spontaneous decision to come. Hilary had told her that John was back.
Joey also says that she has only known John for ten days. She seems overjoyed and excited to introduce John to her.
We cut back to John talking to his father on the phone. He also seems nervous to tell his father that she is white. (It is also revealed that he is 37 and she is 23 which is quite a big age gap). There’s a subtle comedy in John being scared to talk about Joey to his father and Joey talking in-depth about John. For different reasons, they ignore the difference in ethnicities (John out of fear, Joey out of not feeling that it is important).
Joey also reveals that John was previously married and had a son. His wife and son were both killed in a train accident.
John comes out of the study and meets Joey’s mother. Mrs. Drayton is shocked (and almost faints) at John being (in the film's words) ‘a negroe’. Still, John is able to keep his cool and somehow is still charming as ever.
Joey reveals that they met at Hawaii university when John gave a lecture. John gave this lecture because he is a certified doctor. This explains the long age gap between them.
Mrs. Drayton makes no attempt to cover her shock, unlike Hillary. No matter what Joey says, she keeps a frown frozen on her face.
Joey’s father, Mr. Drayton (played by Spencer Tracey) comes into the house. Tillie had no time to fully explain the situation, only managing to get out the fact that a ‘doctor’ was in the house with Joey.
This obviously concerns Mr. Drayton and he rushes into the room. Joey quickly cleared up the confusion, the doctor in the room was just John. Still, they didn’t fully state that John was dating Joey.
Mr. Drayton almost leaves the house again without any explanation of who John really is. However, he turns around very suddenly, and where once there was a smile is now a serious expression.
He slowly walks back over to John and stares him down before finally asking: “What the hell is going on here?”
John had to awkwardly explain the entire situation to Mr. Drayton. He also reveals that he loves Joey. He also drops a bombshell on them-- He and Joey wish to get married.
The look of shock on Joey’s parents' faces says it all. We get a more well-meaning but slightly racist talk from Joey (‘It never occurred to me that I might fall in love with a negroe!)
Her parents are shocked by just the thought of her marrying a man of color. Her father goes inside and attempts to find some dirt on John. Mrs. Drayton is more open to Joey marrying John, but her father is still against it.
John goes to Mr. and Mrs. Drayton in private. John tells them that unless they approve of the marriage he won’t marry Joey. John also says that the reason he likes Joey so much is because she doesn’t see a color difference between them. She treats him like a normal guy.
Eventually, John and Mrs. Drayton are able to talk Mr. Drayton into accepting it. We also learn that the Draytons are free-thinkers. Their expressions were more of shock than genuine racism.
Mr. Drayton is not able to find any dirt on John, but only his accolades and achievements. They even found three dollars under the phone (from John when he called his father). All of this further reinforces their acceptance of it.
We cut back to a wonderful scene with Joey and John. The actors have undeniable chemistry and bring the characters to life. The way they can bounce off of each other with quick wit makes for a classic scene.
We are treated to an interesting transitional shot. The camera is zoomed in all the way to make it seem up close to Joey and John. It then moves back very suddenly to show a silhouette right in front of it. Mr. and Mrs. Drayton is watching them.
Mrs. Drayton has tears in her eyes. I don’t think the tears are from sadness, but rather joy. Mrs. Drayton remarks that it is the happiest she has ever seen Joey. Kathrine Hepburn gives a brilliant and heartwarming monologue, remarking that she is happy for and proud of Joey.
Tillie still doesn’t approve of John and Joey’s relationship. Perhaps she feels jealous. She has been forced to be a housekeeper for years now, and now perhaps she feels that it is unfair for a person of color to be successful and with a white girl.
We cut to Mr. Drayton recalling to John a time when black people couldn't play baseball. Mr. Drayton then gets serious and tells John of the problems with his and Joey’s children. The racism they’ll have to face. However, John reassures him that times are changing.
John gets a call from his father. They plan on coming up to San Francisco that evening to meet Joey. The only problem is that they think Joey is a black girl. Joey insists on meeting John’s parents at the airport. John objects, but Joey is too insistent.
Meanwhile, Mr. Drayton begins bragging about his future son-in-law. He feels proud that John is a doctor. They have finally warmed up to them.
We then realize that the ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner moment’ is not Joey introducing John, it’s John introducing his parents. Mr. Drayton is outraged to have John’s parents in their home, but once again, Mrs. Drayton keeps him calm.
Suddenly, somebody knocks on the door. We are then introduced to Monsignor Ryan Mike (played by Cecil Kellaway) a close friend of Mr. Drayton. He seems to already like John, even saying that he admired the work of John that was in the papers. To the surprise of the Draytons, Mike doesn’t care about John’s skin color.
Hilary comes to the house as well and is shocked at the news of Joey and John soon getting married. Mrs. Drayton practically kicked Hilary out of the house and walked her back to the car.
We then see Hilary and Mrs. Crayton standing in the drive-way. Hilary is heavily against the interracial couple. Mrs. Crayton fires Hilary because of her racism and forces her to leave. This shows just how much admiration they have for John.
When Mrs. Drayton comes back and Joey is enraged at Hilary.
We cut back to Mike talking to Mr. Drayton. Drayton confesses that he feels as if the couple would not make it. Mike reassures him and leaves, but he is invited to dinner.
Mr. Drayton is still skeptical about the interracial relationship. He gets antsy and wants to go on a drive. As Mrs. Drayton tries to calm his nerves, he snaps and shouts at her. Still, she continues on.
The Drayton parents go to get ice-cream. Mr. Drayton gets a large ice-cream and Mrs. Drayton a black coffee. We then get another great monologue from Kathrine Hepburn comparing her marriage to Joey’s.
Mr. Drayton gets a new specialty flavor. At first, he is taken aback, but as he eats it he realizes that it isn’t that bad. This can be seen as a comparison to the Drayton parents’ feelings about John. At first, taken aback, but they quickly warm up to him. Mrs. Drayton is happy at Mr. Drayton’s ability to accept change (not only in the ice-cream flavor but in his acceptance of John now being part of his family.) Perhaps this is even America as a whole’s view of interracial couples. As John said, times are changing.
We cut to Tillie barging into John’s room. She snaps at him, but he stays calm and charming. He cracks jokes at her, but she is not having it. She accuses him of abusing his black power and scolds him before storming off.
We cut back to Mr. and Mrs. Drayton leaving the ice-cream place. They put their car in reverse but accidentally hit another car. The driver (a black man) begins to freak out to Mr. Drayton. He continues to shout at Mr. Drayton, causing him to run away. Funny enough, the public applauds the African-American. Unfortunately, this causes Mr. Drayton to reconsider his thoughts on black people.
The crowd's applauds showed just how quickly times were changing. Now in a situation like this, a man of color is allowed to shout at a caucasian and is applauded for it. This shows that there were many people like Joey-- Free-thinkers who would stand up for people of color against a white man (even if the black man was perhaps in the wrong).
We cut to John and Joey meeting her friends. They (like Joey) don’t care about his skin color. During this scene, John and Joey decide to leave San Francisco together that very night.
We cut to Mr. Drayton who (seemingly after the altercation) is now against John and Joey’s marriage. He plans on not giving his blessing to John. This upsets Mrs. Drayton.
She steps outside in tears and looks over at the sunset.
Meanwhile, Joey and John go to meet John’s parents (played by Roy Glenn and Beah Richards) at the airport. John is finally able to explain that Joey is caucasian. They are both speechless at the sight of her.
We cut to Mrs. Drayton trying to talk Mr. Drayton out of not giving his blessing. Once again, we got a beautiful monologue by Kathrine Hepburn.
John, Joey, and his parents all ride in the car. There is an awkward silence. Suddenly, they all talk at once, but quickly all goes silent once again. Nobody plans on breaking the ice.
Mr. Prentice is outraged that John is dating a white girl. Just like Joey’s parents, Mrs. Prentice tries to stay civil and polite.
Mike comes back to the Drayton’s house early to help with dinner. Mrs. Drayton begins to cry and confesses to Mike that Mr. Drayton will not give his blessing. He plans to embarrass John in front of Joey and his family.
Mrs. Drayton walks over to Tillie, and Tillie says that she actually agrees with Mr. Drayton.
Meanwhile, Mike attempts to talk Mr. Drayton out of it. However, he is unsuccessful.
The Prentices and Joey finally make it back home for dinner. Mrs. Drayton welcomes them in with hospitality.
Mr. Drayton finally comes down stairs to meet the Prentices and to present Mike. He remains polite and civil and makes casual small talk. Soon, however, Mr. Drayton gets serious and raises his first concern-- they are rushing it. However, he is pleased to find that Mr. Prentice agrees.
Mrs. Drayton takes Mrs. Prentice out to talk privately. The two men go to the study to talk privately themselves.
The women agree that they approve of the marriage, but that their husbands do not.
The men agree that the marriage should not happen.
Suddenly, John’s mother pulls him aside to talk to him privately, and Mrs. Drayton goes to talk to Joey in private. Mr. Prentice goes to talk his son out of the marriage. That leaves Mr. Drayton and Mrs. Prentice to talk.
They have a heartfelt conversation, both of them making compelling arguments. However, Mrs. Prentice gives an amazing speech to Mr. Drayton. It’s such a beautiful speech that it finally makes Mr. Drayton think.
Meanwhile, Mr. Prentice begins to overwhelm and berate John. At first, John took the shouting. However, he was eventually able to stand up for himself in another fantastic speech. In the speech, it’s as if John represents the new generation in America, open to change, free-thinking, and acceptance.
However, Mr. Prentice seems to represent the old era of America-- Resistance of change, bitterness to the new generation, and somewhat of an inability to accept others. Mr. Prentice thought that John owed him something just because he was his father, but in reality, John didn’t owe him anything. Mr. Prentice was simply doing what any dad should-- Provide for his son.
There’s no better way to explain it than how John does in the film-- “You [Mr. Prentice] think of yourself as a colored man, I think of myself as a man.”
Both fathers are now beginning to think about what they’ve done.
Finally, they are all in the living room, and Mr. Drayton begins to make an announcement. He breaks into a heartwarming monologue in which he gives them his blessing. They go off to dinner as “The Glory of Love” plays once again.
This movie is wonderful, but what makes it so great? Of course, the acting is brilliant and the writing is witty, but what about it really makes this ‘great’?
I think that this movie perfectly shows the battle between the new ‘hippie’ generation of the 60s’ and the older generations before it.
Everybody agrees that everything we do should be for the betterment of the world. Something that will make the future better, for ourselves, the children, and the world as a whole. This film exemplifies how important change is for people to be happy.
During the sixties, many progressive movements became huge-- Civil rights, women's rights, anti-war, etc. This film was released when the movements had reached their peak. Still, it was movements like civil rights that allowed for this film to be made at all.
On the surface, “Guess Who’s coming to Dinner” seems to be like any romantic comedy, but when you peel back the layers you are able to see what it is. A social commentary on the times. A warning to the older generations that change is inevitable and they had to accept it.
This film may not be perfect, but it is because of this film (and others like it) that we are able to have interracial marriage not viewed as taboo. It’s somewhat comedic to look back at it with (literal) 2020 perspective and see just how big of a deal they made of it.
I believe that this film is special because it had a message. It was able to say that message clearly without outright telling you it, and it allows for many other interpretations. The best way to form an opinion of it is to watch it yourself.

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2019.12.11 18:13 rightwingnews /u/oispa on Any good refutations to the argument that “the Nazis were inspired by America with their eugenics and racial laws”?

Yes, but only partially. Eugenics was popular in the US, Scandinavia, and Germany during that time (and will be again).
Currently, many Scandinavian nations are eliminating Down Sydrome through pre-natal testing, essentially using genetics to Minority Report remove retards:
Since prenatal screening tests were introduced in Iceland in the early 2000s, the vast majority of women -- close to 100 percent -- who received a positive test for Down syndrome terminated their pregnancy.
Denmark is doing the same:
The number of children born with Down Syndrome (DS) in Denmark has fallen drastically in recent years – so much so that the disorder could be a thing of the past in 30 years.
Since 2004 all pregnant women have been offered a DS scan – called a nuchal scan – and the number of abortions involving DS children has increased dramatically. Last year, 98 percent of pregnant women who were revealed to be carrying an unborn child with DS chose to have an abortion.
Norway is also following suit:
Records in 2012 — the most current year for which numbers exist — show that of 118 unborn children diagnosed with the syndrome with its trademark extra copy of chromosome 21, 69 were destroyed by abortion (58 percent), 49 were born (41 percent), and 3 were stillborn, reports Dagsavisen.
America had similar attitudes before WW2, as shown with Buck v. Bell:
The Virginia statute providing for the sexual sterilization of inmates of institutions supported by the State who shall be found to be afflicted with an hereditary form of insanity or imbecility, is within the power of the State under the Fourteenth Amendment. P. 207.
However, the Germans probably picked up on other people emulating the American eugenics program instead of being directly and solely influenced by the USA:
As America's eugenics movement gathered pace, it inspired a host of imitators. In France, Belgium, Sweden, England and elsewhere in Europe, cliques of eugenicists did their best to introduce eugenic principles into national life; they could always point to recent precedents established in the United States.
Germany was no exception. From the turn of the century, German eugenicists formed academic and personal relationships with the American eugenics establishment, in particular with Charles Davenport, the pioneering founder of the Eugenics Record Office on Long Island, New York, which was backed by the Harriman railway fortune. A number of other charitable American bodies generously funded German race biology with hundreds of thousands of dollars, even after the depression had taken hold.
In other words, German eugenics pre-dates the Nazis, and was influenced by America through other European nations following the American program, as was common at that time (and will be again, if we regain sanity).
In fact, the Swedish action predated the Nazis by three years:
In the early 1930s, the Social Democratic and Peasant Party of Sweden called on the government to take measures to prevent the degradation of the Swedish nation. Research by scientists at the State Institute for Racial Biology had purported to show that the degradation of the Swedish nation was caused by a violation of its purity.
The next obvious step for the authorities was to prevent people who entered into interracial marriages or “ethnically inferior inhabitants” from having children.
Inter-racial and inter-ethnic relationships tend to produce children with more health problems.
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2019.12.06 17:12 -en- @nytimes: A new task force assembled by Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam is aiming to purge almost 100 racist laws from the state's books. Many date to its segregationist past, including Jim Crow laws and those banning interracial marriage.

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2019.03.16 00:06 throwaway12348262 I’m in an interracial relationship and I’m looking for information on the history of interracial relationships

I’m a white women dating a black man but for a project I need information on the history of interracial pre loving v. Virginia. I’m sure there must have been interracial relationships before then just as there was gay relationships but the latter is much easier to find information on. I’m looking at a map and some places in the us allowed interracial marriage as early as 1948 but I can’t find is how we’re interracial couples treated?
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2019.03.15 05:08 666_NumberOfTheBeast The Violent Left: A Summary.

July 22, 2011: Norweigan neo-nazi Anders Breivik murders 77 people in Oslo and Utøya.
September 18, 2013: Greek anti-fascist rapper Pavlos Fyssas is murdered by members of far-right political party Golden Dawn.
June 27, 2015: White supremacist Dylann Roof murders 9 and injures 1 in a black church in Charleston, SC, hoping to start a race war.
January 28, 2017: Man sets fire to a mosque in Victoria, Texas.
February 2017: Man from Conway, SC, inspired by Dylann Roof, purchases guns after telling an FBI agent he wanted to buy one to carry out anti-Muslim, antisemetic, and racist acts of violence.
February 22, 2017: Olathe, KS man murders one Middle Eastern man and injures another after telling them to "Get out of my country."
March 20, 2017: Man stabs a black man to death after traveling to New York City to hunt down and kill black men for "eroding the white race" by race-mixing, carrying out the murder in hopes to scare black men from engaging in interracial relationships with white women.
May 20, 2017: White University of Maryland student murders a black student for seemingly no reason. He was known to post Neo-Nazi material on Facebook.
May 22, 2017: Man in Portland, Oregon, murders two men by stabbing and injures another for stepping in after harassing two Muslim women on a train, telling them to "go back to their country"
May 2017: A member of Atomwaffen Division, a neo-nazi group, arrested for possession of multiple bombs.
August 11-12, 2017: Various far right wing groups meet in Charlottesville, Virginia in protest of removal of a Lee statue. 14 people injured during attacks by these right-wingers, multiple chants about murdering minorities, including "Black Lives Splatter" and "Gas the K*kes", all culminating in the infamous vehicle attack killing Heather Heyer and injuring 19 others.
August 12, 2017: Sayre, OK man arrested for attempting to detonate a car bomb in Oklahoma City. He supported the III% ideology, virulently anti-Muslim.
September 2017: White supremacist murders a black man in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
December 4, 2017: Man is arrested for planning to carry out a mass shooting at the Islamic Center of Northeast Florida.
December 17, 2017: Man disguises himself as a high school student in New Mexico to kill two students in a hallway before taking his own life. He was active on Daily Stormer and had a swastika drawn on his body.
December 22, 2017: Atomwaffen member murders his girlfriend's parents for not wanting her to date him over the fact that he's a neo-nazi.
January 2, 2018: Another Atomwaffen Division member murders a gay Jewish college student.
February 14, 2018: 17 people are murdered and 17 injured in a Parkland, FL high school by a man with swastikas carved into his gun magazines. It was also later discovered that he had expressed far-right, antisemetic, xenophobic and homophobic views in an Instagram group chat.
April 19, 2018: Orange County, CA man arrested for violently threatening Jews; searches of his home uncovered antisemetic literature, kill lists, ammunition, and a document titled "How to Kill My First Jew."
July 4, 2018: 91-year-old Mexican man attacked with brick in Los Angeles, told to "Go back to your own country"
July 14, 2018: KKK and Aryan Nation member in Shawnee, Kansas, who regularly donned Confederate flag apparel and had a swastika tattoo, murders a 43-year-old black woman.
October 22-November 1, 2018: Man dubbed "MAGABomber" in Fort Lauderdale, FL, attempts to murder multiple politicians by mailing sixteen pipe bombs to their homes.
October 24, 2018: Man murders two black people in a grocery store in Kentucky after attempting to enter a predominantly black church, presumably to carry out a mass murder.
October 27, 2018: White supremacist neo-nazi murders 11 Jews and injures an additional 7 in a synagogue in Pittsburgh, PA, after many online posts about wanting to do it.
November 2, 2018: Right-winger murders 2 and injures 4 in a yoga studio in Tallahassee, FL
February 20, 2019: Coast Guard Lieutenant from Maryland arrested for plotting to kill multiple politicians.
March 15, 2019: White supremacist live streams himself murdering as many people as possible in a mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand. Numbers still unknown.
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2019.01.18 00:38 Obversa "Enemies in Love": The Real-Life Basis for Reylo

A note, this is a very long write-up...but, I feel, worth the read. You've been warned.
Hey guys! Recently, I've been doing quite a bit of research on "the real-life basis" of Reylo, which I believe is an important, but largely overlooked, basis for the romantic pairing.
For my sources, I'll be using the following:
The first source involves POC author Alexis Clark's book on the real-life story of an African-American woman and a German POWs romance in WWII; the second, two British women's tales of their own romances with German POWs in WWII; and the third, a gathering of all marriage-related articles from TIME Magazine archives, including lots of studies and statistics on romance and marriage, and how it's changed over time.
I will begin by saying that the "hate" that Reylo and its fans received, especially prior to the release of The Last Jedi, is hardly a new phenomenon. According to the first two sources, "falling in love with the 'enemy'" has long been a source of contention.
While the trope of the "star-crossed romance" dates back thousands of years, with figures like Ares and Aphrodite / Eros and Psyche (Ancient Greek Mythology); Marc Mantony and Cleopatra (Ptomelmaic Egypt); Eleanor of Aquitaine and Henry II (Angevin Empire); and even Romeo and Juliet (Renaissance Italy), for the purposes of this post, I'll focus on the WWII era to present day.
From the first article:
A love story between a black Army nurse and a white German POW during World War II? You couldn't make that story up — and Alexis Clark didn't. The former editor at Town & Country is an adjunct professor at Columbia University's School of Journalism. I spoke with her about her new book, Enemies in Love, and what she learned about hidden Army history and the human heart.
Additionally, Clark goes on to recount the background, context, and tale of Elinor Elizabeth Powell, an African-American nurse in the U.S. Army assigned to Fort Huachuca, and her future husband, Frederick Albert, a German POW and mess hall worker on base.
"They met at a prisoner of war camp in Florence, Arizona. The closest city was Phoenix, which is about an hour and a half away. Frederick was a great cook and a baker, and so his assignment was to work in the mess hall. So when the nurses entered for their meal, he spotted Elinor, and he said it was like he was under a spell. He walked right up to her, and said, 'You should know my name. I'm the man who's going to marry you.'
And he wasn't the only one — she felt it, too. The attraction became stronger and stronger. Eventually they had a relationship." - Alexis Clark
However, Elinor's mother highly disapproved of the two's romance and engagement, accusing Frederick of "using" Elinor. However, after the two conceived a son, and Frederick was returned to Germany, Frederick eventually returned to the U.S. to be with Elinor after WWII.
The two faced discrimination, not only because Frederick was a "Nazi" (i.e. German / "the enemy") who married an American woman, and anti-German sentiment during and after WWII was high in Allied nations, but because they were an interracial couple. The couple also experienced overt discrimination in both the U.S. and Germany due to this.
"When Frederick moved to the United States to marry Elinor, and then start a family together, they struggled. They moved to Boston. They tried to find apartments, find work. As a mixed couple, no one wanted to live next to them; it was hard to get a lease. It was hard for him to find employment because he was German. (Remember, this was right after the war.) And Elinor knew that he was from a wealthy family, and she feared that he would regret his decision.
Frederick's father had done well after the war, and Frederick was positioned to take over his father's engineering firm. And that's what they did. [For a time, they moved to Germany.] But it was not easy on Elinor. People were pointing, taunting her when she was walking down the street...she said she felt like an animal in a zoo.
The family moved a lot, trying to find a place that would accept them. Finally they find a community called Village Creek, in South Norwalk, Conn. Frederick got a job at Pepperidge Farms, the baking company. And it literally was a neighborhood that said it's a prejudice-free zone. So mixed couples, Jewish couples, artists, gays, you name it — they were welcome there.
And that's where they settled. The only thing that was difficult is that Elinor and Frederick really didn't bring up race with their children. So the boys had identity problems. Their older child had to undergo a lot of hardship because of their decision to be together, despite the fact that society was against them.
[...] and then you have this 'Love Conquers All' story between Elinor and Frederick — twenty years before Loving v. Virginia was decided by the Supreme Court." - Alexis Clark
However, Elinor was hardly the only Allied woman to have a "star-crossed romance" with a German POW. Across the pond, two British women, June Tull and Margaret Stratton, recounted their own tales of marrying "the enemy", and how society and their families judged them harshly for it.
They were spat at, punched and shunned by their families. Their crime? Falling in love with German prisoners of war. As they celebrate their diamond weddings, two British war brides tell their haunting stories.
With each step they took, hand in hand along the bomb-ravaged streets of Southampton, the sight of June Tull and her boyfriend incited insults and fury.
"Aren't our boys good enough for you?" yelled one woman. Another ran up to June and punched her. Others spat in her face.
How could she, they asked, fraternise with the enemy when their own fathers, husbands and sons had been killed by the Germans?
[...] Some British women who married German POWs fared better than others, who were disowned by their families.
[...] It was in late 1939 that the first prisoners of war arrived in Britain, and were held in two camps. Their numbers remained small, as the Government was reluctant to accept PoWs while the threat of Nazi invasion was imminent - but by the end of the war, there were more than 600 camps.
Each camp was given a number, and was either a disused building, such as a factory, or was made up of specially constructed corrugated iron buildings, known as Nissen huts. More than 400,000 German PoWs were still being held in Britain in 1946, the year after World War II ended, with Attlee's government refusing to repatriate the Germans until well after the war was over.
During 1946, up to one-fifth of all farm work in Britain was being done by unpaid German PoWs, and they were also employed on road works and building sites. [The ban on fraternisation was in place until just before Christmas 1946.]
18-year-old June Tull's boyfriend was German prisoner of war Heinz Fellbrich, 25, a fact which was advertised wherever they went by the PoW's brown uniform with orange felt patches he had to wear at all times.
"There was a lot of hostility towards us," recalls June, now 79. "I could understand it, because people had lost loved ones in the war, but all that mattered to me was that I loved [him]. However, it wasn't easy. We tried to go to quiet places when we were together, so people wouldn't see us. My father Frank was all right about it, but my mother was against the relationship. She worried about what people would think."
Especially when, four months into the courtship - which began at the end of January 1947 - June, who was by this time sleeping with the enemy having written a "Dear John" letter dumping her Royal Marine boyfriend, became pregnant.
"I was scared stiff," says June. "Falling pregnant outside marriage was bad enough - but with a German PoW!"
[...] [Three months pregnant at her wedding], June was the first British woman to marry a German PoW following Clement Attlee's postwar government's decision to lift the ban on fraternisation and marriage - an event so controversial it made newspaper headlines.
[...] When [June and Heinz] emerged [from their wedding reception], they were greeted by the pop of flashbulbs from newspaper photographers.
At 10pm sharp, Heinz was back behind the barbed wire at the PoW camp - having been given permission to marry by the camp commandant - and June begged him not to slip out to meet her later, which would be punished by solitary confinement.
Their "wedding night" took place the following day at June's home, when Heinz was allowed to visit his new wife. [Six months later, Heinz] was released from the PoW camp, one week before their eldest son, Peter, was born.
[Today], [June and Heinz] have six children - four boys, and two girls - 12 grandchildren, and 15 great-grandchildren. They say they are as in love today as the first moment they caught sight of each other back in 1947.
Theirs is a remarkable love story, especially when set against the intense hostility and bitterness towards the British women who fell in love with German PoWs ("the enemy").
"After our wedding, we received two sackloads of hate mail. I didn't read it all, because I knew what people would say. But there was one lovely letter, which said, 'You can't choose who you fall in love with. Just be happy'." says June.
"I refused to let it bother me, and I'm glad of that. We have been incredibly happy. I don't regret falling in love with [him], although for a long time, we felt very isolated."
Heinz adds: "The British people were much harder on June than they were on me, but once they got to know me, the fact I was German became irrelevant. Of course, I was sorry for the suffering of the people who'd lost loved ones or their homes, but the German people had suffered, too. It is the nature of war."
"Since falling in love with June, I have never once felt homesick for Germany," Heinz adds. "This is my home. I like the people, the country and being here. We have been very lucky."
Margaret Stratton, now aged 93, shocked her community when she married German PoW Peter Roth, five years her junior, on May 22, 1948 in Peterborough.
Hundreds of people lined the streets - more out of curiosity and disbelief than anything else.
"They couldn't believe she had married a German," recalls Peter, now aged 88. "But I struck lucky when I fell in love with Margaret. People accepted me, not because I was German, but because I was Margaret Stratton's husband."
Margaret adds: "No one ever said anything to me, but I'm sure people talked about me behind my back. After the wedding, I went to the local paper, and paid them to print our marriage picture, as I wanted everyone to know I didn't care what they thought."
[...] Margaret recalls: "When I first saw Peter, I said to my girlfriend: 'I know he's German, but he has the most lovely face.' There was just something about him."
Peter was equally struck, and that evening, he stripped his camp hut's garden of every flower - six snowdrops - and presented them to Margaret the next day.
In return, she gave him a cigarette and a piece of cake, and so began a highly dangerous romance.
"The war was not yet over, and fraternising between local women and German PoWs was forbidden. Heaven knows what would have happened to us if we'd been found out," says Peter.
"In many ways, Margaret saved my life. I remember her saying: 'I don't want to know anything about your past or what you've done. All I know is that I love you, and that you are mine now. That's all that matters.'"
[...] Margaret says: "The police used to ask Peter to translate letters for them, and years after we married, the police sergeant told us he knew all about Peter visiting our house. He should have arrested us. The sergeant told Peter: 'I could not harm Margaret. Her only sin was falling in love.' We were lucky."
Why is the above important, and relevant, to the Reylo romance and relationship?
Foremostly, because it provides a real-life precedent, and basis, to what the path ahead will be like for Rey and Kylo / Ben, especially if they end up together romantically, and decide to get married, have children, and build a life together. Both parties doing what they can to compromise and make the relationship work, and finding acceptance, i.e. a community that accepts Rey and Ben / Kylo's relationship, is key for making the Reylo romance last.
Secondly, we do know that, as per a reprinted 2016-2017 interview with Adam Driver and JJ Abrams, much of Kylo Ren / Ben Solo's character does take a lot of real-life inspiration from Driver, his own personality, and his own life. There's also the fact that Star Wars, as a whole, draws from many real-life elements, combining them together into one, cohesive narrative and whole. There's that pre-existing element of basis in reality there, and I do feel that it's not just Kylo / Ben's character with this basis, but the Reylo relationship, and romance, as a whole.
As such, I feel it's important to consider the real-life historical basis, and precedent, regarding these kinds of relationships, and how they've worked in the past...especially given that, from WWII to today, views on marriage, spurred by changes allowing "fraternization" between citizens and POWs, interracial couples, and LGBTQA+ couples, have grown more to match the historical "love is love" precedent discussed above.
It is also, quite literally, the beginnings of the foundation for the new era of "modern marriage" that we see today, which focuses on love and equality between partners. It is also my firm belief that the Reylo relationship reflects, and embodies - or will, in IX and future Star Wars media - this view of "modern marriage".
After all, if Star Wars, as a franchise, is closely tied to, based on, and a reflection of American culture, society, views, and values at the time of certain movies' production(s), then it stands to reason that Reylo, as a part of Star Wars, will also do so.
According to TIME Magazine's "The Science of Marriage":
There's a reason fairy tales always end in marriage. It's because nobody wants to see what comes after. It's too grim. Meeting the right person, working through cosmic misunderstandings and overcoming family disapproval to get to the altar - those are stories worth telling.
[...] But staying married, and doing so happily, is more difficult. In 2014, having spent a year looking at all the sociological, psychological, economic and historical data he could get his hands on, Northwestern University psychology professor Eli Finkel announced [his findings].
"Americans today have elevated their expectations of marriage, and can, in fact, achieve an unprecedently high level of marital quality," he writes, but only if they invest a lot of effort [into the marriage]. And, if they can't, their marriage will be more disappointing to them than a humdrum marriage was to prior generations, because they've been promised so much more [of marriage in the modern era].
Matrimony used to be an institution people entered out of custom, duty, or a need to procreate. (This is also shown by the discussed POW-civilian couples getting pregnant, sometimes purposefully, to ensure that they would be able to remain together.) [Now], more of us think this one relationship should - and could - provide the full buffet of satisfaction: intimacy, support, stability, happiness, and sexual exhilaration.
[...] Marriage is the most basic and intimate of our social institutions, but also one of the most subject to shifts in cultural, technological, and economic forces...
[...]"Couples who have made it all the way later into life have found it to be peak experience, a sublime experience, to be together," says Karl Pilemmer, a Cornell University gerontologist who did an intensive survey of 700 elderly people for his book, 30 Lessons for Loving. "Everybody [in the survey] - 100% - said, at one point, that the long marriage was the best thing in their lives. But all of them also either said that marriage is hard, or that it's really, really hard."
Marriage has become what game theorists call "a commitment device", an undertaking that locks individuals into a course of action...and in [today's era], when it's both harder and less necessary to stay together, the trick is figuring out how to go the distance.
What does the "modern marriage" promise that historical unions didn't? The ultimate dream: a partner who sees what you really are, and not only accepts it, but improves it.
"The promise you make is not just to be faithful and true, and to stay married, but to try and bring out the best in each other," says Lisa Grunwald, who, with her husband, Stephen Adler, put together a historical compendium of marriage, The Marriage Book, in 2015. "To try and understand, really deeply understand, what the other one wants, and hold her feet or his feet to the fire, and say, 'OK, this is great, but remember, this is what you wanted, and don't let go of that dream.'"
And just as the benefits have changed, so have the challenges..."Today, choosing to stay, when you can leave, is the new shame," says relationship therapist Esther Perel.
Other features that TIME notes as features of "the modern marriage":
  • Parents are spending more time with their children than their historical forebears.
  • More security and benefits in working together, and pooling resources / finances, than apart.
  • Couples' "sexual satisfaction" only improves over time, and eventually, experiences a "return to courtship". (c. 2011 Kinsey study)
  • The longer people are together, the more they develop kindness and empathy. (c. John Gottman, one of the nation's leading marriage researchers)
  • Individuals who form romantic partnerships with individuals who are similar to them in values and background find it easier to stay married.
  • Those who pride themselves on their "faith" (religious or otherwise) tend to stay together more than those who don't.
  • Partners are better at trying to figure out what makes their S.O. "feel loved", as well as apologizing and forgiving, as well as "fighting fair" during arguments. (c. Gary Chapman, The 5 Love Languages)
  • More modern couples focus on shared interests, which offset relationship changes. "The most successful couples began to embrace one another's interests." (c. Pillemer)
As for successful marriages and romances, these were the top traits
  1. You dated for a while - 3 years or more (but didn't cohabitate) (c. Emory University marriage study)
  2. You showed engagement and interest in what your partner had to say (i.e. listening)
  3. You amplified your partner's "positive" moments with genuine interest and praise
  4. You made time for "deep" conversations (asking questions, sharing aspirations, etc.)
  5. You had "warm feet" on your wedding day; had a cheaper wedding, and an intimate honeymoon
  6. You "fought fair" with your partner, without contempt, defensiveness, criticism, or stonewalling
  7. You've got demogaphics on your side (i.e. college education level or equivalent)
  8. You carved out "me time" for your own hobbies and activities (i.e. "less boring")
  9. You cultivated a culture of mutual appreciation and gratitude / thankfulness, are focused on positivity, not negativity (i.e. small acts of love, appreciation, and kindness, and for men especially)
We've seen Rey and Kylo / Ben do much the above for each other (excepting the bit about dating a long time and wedding), especially seen with the development, and progression, of their relationship over the course of TLJ. Perhaps the best example of this is Rey recounting the entire "mirror-cave" experience, and scene, to Kylo / Ben, while he sits and listens quietly. We also see Kylo / Ben offer reassurance and comfort to Rey, as also commented on by Daisy Ridley, with Kylo / Ben being a "mentor" figure for Rey.
“[Rey] really sees the, like, glimmer in Kylo. That there’s some good there, and she goes with it. And I thinks that’s pretty wonderful…I think he is redeemable.” - Daisy Ridley (Source)
There is also the element of marriage not only being a "commitment tool", but a "learning tool".
And how do you make a soulmate? Practice, practice, practice.
Pillemer observed that long-married couples he had interviewed acted as if divorce were not an option. "People really had the mindset they wanted to stay married," he says. They regarded their relationship as less like buying a new car, and more like learning how to drive. "Marriage is like a discipline," he says. "A discipline is not [simply] reaching one, happy end point."
[...] One of the more controversial ideas therapists are now suggesting is that men need to do more of the "emotional labor" in a relationship - the work that goes into sustaining love - which usually [traditionally] falls to women. "What men do in a relationship is, by a large margin, the crucial factor that separates a great relationship from a failed one," writes Gottman in his book, The Man's Guide to Women. "This doesn't mean that a woman doesn't need to do her part, but the data proves that a man's actions are the key variable that determines whether a relationship succeeds or fails."
The one piece of advice every expert and nonexpert gives for staying married is, perhaps, the least useful one for those who are already several years in: choose well. [...] Therapists suggest you ask [your] friends about your prospective life mate. Aim to find someone you know you'll love, even during the periods when you don't like him or her so much.
And then, cross your fingers. As Grunwald puts it, "Just pick out a good one, and get lucky."
Given the above, and the portrayals of Rey and Kylo / Ben's respective characters in both TFA and TLJ, as well as expanded media, such as comic books and Jason Fry's TLJ novel, a lot of it already reflects the relationship between the two. For one, we have Rey already acting as if she and Kylo / Ben separating "is not an option" ("She would wait [for Ben / Kylo." - TLJ novel), including treating their relationship as both a "commitment and learning experience" (Rey committing to 'saving' Ben / Kylo in TLJ, and learning how to do so, as per the TLJ novel).
Two, as many others have already pointed out, in TLJ, and going into IX, we see that Kylo / Ben's actions are "key" and "crucial" into forming "emotional labor" in his relationship with Rey, and his actions and choices will be the ultimate factor in determining whether he and Rey will end up together ("great relationship")...or not ("failed relationship"). As such, he must "choose wisely and well". However, luck - as also seen with the testimony of the POW/civilian couples - is also a factor.
For as much as the Force seems to have brought Rey and Kylo / Ben together, literally binding them with a Force-bond, it is ultimately the two's own free will, actions, and choices that will result in how their relationship plays out on-screen in IX.
However, I believe that we've already seen the two decide that they do want to commit to one another. The origin? Their first meetings, and interactions, in TFA, directed by JJ Abrams, long before the Force-bond came into play in TLJ with Rian Johnson. This was also the "deciding factor" that not only points to the two having a mututal attraction to one another, even before TLJ, but that it plays a large role in how, and why, we got Reylo in the sequel trilogy.
It also demonstrates how what started off as attraction, and infatuation, was present, and deepened into love, from TFA to TLJ.
Based on the article "All About Attraction" in the TIME issue, by Ginny Graves:
Like superheroes, every happily married duo has an origin story, and most of these how-we-met tales contain important nuggets of truth about the mysterious forces that draw two strangers, magnet-like, toward each other. [...] And about that origin story. How you tell it may be a powerful tool to the health of your relationship.
In a landmark 1992 study, University of Washington researchers found that they could predict with a 94% accuracy which couples would divorce or stay together by hearing them relate the story about how they met. It didn't matter if the story was mundane or movie-worthy. What mattered was this: that the twosome shared a sense of fondness and solidarity.
[...] Let's say you glimpse someone across a crowded room. It takes your bain about 100 milliseconds, according to a Princeton University study, to form judgements about a host of traits [in a potential mate]: attractiveness, likeability, trust-worthiness, competence, and aggressiveness.
"That first moment [you meet] is a key decision point: Will you engage with that person, or look for someone else?" says Helen Fisher, a senior research fellow at the Kinsey Institute, and author of The Anatomy of Love: A Natural History of Mating, Marriage, and Why We Stray.
[...] We tend to gravitate to people who look robust, with clear skin and bright eyes (clues to potential fertility). Most of us are interested in people who come from backgrounds similar to our own, and who have the same ballpark level of attractiveness and education. [...] At a psychology convention, eHarmony presented findings that - contrary to academic beliefs - similar levels of traits like extroversion / introversion and intellect, not just general agreeableness, are the key to a successful relationship and marriage.
[...] But those instantaneous, unconscious assessments of potential partners aren't wholly governed by Mother Nature. They're also influenced by your unique history - what Fisher calls your "love map"; an image of your ideal sweetheart you've been subconciously sketching and revising, based on relationships with your parents, friends, crushes, and exes, since you were a the time we're in our 20s and 30s, our ideas of what makes someone [attractive] has become more complex and personal.
[...] If she or he is a reasonable likeness of the fantasy sweetheart in your mind's eye, a primitive area buried deep in your brain - the ventral tegmental area (TVA) - has probably already begun churning out dopamine, a neurochemical that boosts focus, energy, and motivation. [...] "All mammals get a hit of dopamine when they have sex. That big hit of pleasure is what makes sex rewarding, so you want to do it again, and again, and again," says Larry Young, a professor in the department of psychiatry at Emory University, and the author of The Chemistry Between Us: Love, Sex, and the Science of Attraction.
Three brain systems play a role in the arc of a love story: Your sex drive spurs you to look for a range of partners; dopamine-fuelled romantic love focuses your mating energy on one person; and the oxytocin-driven attachment system encourages you stay with one partner. [...] Oxytocin, a neurochemical that creates a heightened bond with another individual in particular, and makes you pay attention to every detail of your partner, also flows when [two people] stay in touch - literally - i.e. walking arm in arm, kissing, holding / touching hands, etc.
[...] Women vary, for instance, in their level of attraction to certain personality traits theys see reflected in faces. Those who value honesty, warmth, cooperation, and parenting skill seem to favor men with more "feminized" faces (fuller cheeks, narrower jaws). [...] Men are more likely to go for women with traditionally feminine Australian 2015 study reported both men and women preferred non-confomists...those who broke the [societal] norm.
"Being different can be extremely attractive," says Jim Pfaus, a professor of neuroscience and biology at Concordia University in Montreal. "and it makes sense from an evolutionary perspective, because it helps preserve diversity in the species."
And, last but not least, from the TIME issue's article "The (Real) Key to a Joyful Union" by Camille Noe Pagan:
Your spouse forgot his credit card at the restaurant again. Sure, you could roll your eyes or snap, "When are you going to get more organized?" But if you instead say, "I'm sorry, can I help?" you will improve his day and your own in the process.
[...] Think of compassion - the feeling of concern and/or sympathy for another's misfortune, along with desire to lend a hand..."It's the key to happiness and well-being," says Thupten Jinpa, a former Buddhist monk who helped develop a landmark course in compassion training at Stanford School of Medicine. Indeed, a growing body of research shows that compassion reduces anxiety, depression and stress, and may boost immunity, along with longevity.
But that's not all: a study of 1,500 married Americans in the journal Family Relations found that when spouses were humble and compassionate toward one another, they were less stressed and more satisfied in their relationship. "Humility and compassion does make marriages happier," says study author Jonathan Olson, an associate professor of public health and health psychology at Bastyr University. "Being able to see the other person's perspective, and want to help, makes it easier to move past conflict."
[...] Simply witnessing an act of compassion triggers feelings of admiration, warmth, and love, per a study in the Journal of Positive Psychology. [...] "When you show your partner compassion, [and the focus is off of yourself], they're more likely to do the same for you. In a way, you're really helping yourself, as well as your spouse, which improves your overall relationship," points out KC Haydon, an assistant professor of psychology and education at Mount Holyoke College.
[...] "Compassion requires you to give people the benefit of the doubt," notes Jinpa. After all, you deserve to get as much tenderness as you give.
As many are aware, in the TFA novel, Snoke claims that Kylo / Ben has "compassion" for Rey:
"This scavenger - this girl - resisted you?"
"That's all she is, yes. A scavenger from that inconsequential Jakku. Completely untrained, but strong with the Force. Stronger than she knows."
"You have compassion for her."
"No-never. Compassion? For an enemy of the Order?"
"Kylo Ren. It appears that a reminder is in order. So I will show you the dark side. Bring the girl to me..."
In Attack of the Clones, Kylo / Ben's grandfather, Anakin Skywalker, also says the following to Padmé Amidala, his future wife:
"Attachment is forbidden. Possession is forbidden. Compassion, which I would define as...unconditional essential to a Jedi's life. So, you might say that we [Jedi] are encouraged to love."
Ultimately, it is compassion that is the key to "humanity", or humanizing, as described by Adam Driver in reference to Kylo / Ben in TLJ...and it is this sense of "humanity" that also defined the aforementioned POW / Civilian romances, and marriages.
"I think, maybe, this is such a general answer, but, you know...humanity. [...] There were a lot of plot points that we know were operating in [TFA], and we get to explain more in the second one, that makes both [of the movies] make sense. But they do kind of feel socially active to me..." (Source)
You can read my additional commentary about the "body language" of Rey and Kylo / Ben in TLJ here, which includes sources.
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2018.01.31 11:00 autobuzzfeedbot 27 Books You'll Want To Read Next To The Fire This Winter

  1. The Dry by Jane Harper begins with Federal Agent Aaron Falk receiving a note that demands he return to his hometown. The reason: the death of his best friend, who Frank once used as a false alibi years ago. Now, he must delve into his friend's death and finally answer unresolved questions — all while keeping buried secrets safe.
  2. Before We Were Yours by Lisa Wingate wrenches five young children from their family's riverboat and into the gruesome conditions of the Tennessee Children's Home orphanage — all without the knowledge or consent of their living parents. Based on the real-life scandal of Georgia Tann's adoption scam, this story will break your heart just as much as it gives you hope.
  3. Sing, Unburied, Sing by Jesmyn Ward centers on 13-year-old Joe, who is struggling to grow into a man. His interracial parents' roles in his life are inconsistent: his father in prison, and his mother a drug addict. When his father is released from prison and his family moves to the State Penitentiary, Jojo meets the ghost of a dead inmate who is willing to become Jojo's main role model.
  4. All the Ugly and Wonderful Things by Bryn Greenwood explores the unlikely bond between Wavy, a daughter of a drug dealer, and Kellen, a tattooed ex-con. After Wavy's family is ripped apart, her relationship is scrutinized by the outside world, forcing us to reconsider our own perspectives on life, love, and loyalty in a Mississippi meth lab.
  5. Little Fires Everywhere by Celeste Ng will upend your everyday perspective of suburban life through the once picture-perfect Richardson family. When their family friends decide to adopt a Chinese-American baby (a controversial choice in the late '90's) and a custody battle ensues, the Richardson's delicate mother-daughter relationships are torn between polarizing opinions and troubling pasts.
  6. Twist of Faith by Ellen J. Green shatters Ava Saunder's reality when she finds a photo of an old ramshackle house in her late adoptive mother's home. Previously unsuspecting of her origins, now Ava finds herself in danger as she digs further into what turns out to be a violent, murderous past.
  7. The Lost City of the Monkey God by Douglas Preston chases after the ancient legend of the unattainable White City — first to be told of by Hernán Cortés himself. Based on the remarkable true story, Preston and his team tackle the unexplored Honduras rainforest — only to return to America and learn they've all contracted a lethal and incurable disease.
  8. Pachinko by Min Jin Lee tells the story of teenaged Sunja, who falls in love with a wealthy stranger who visits her home in Korea. But when she becomes pregnant and learns that her lover is married, she leaves home and accepts a marriage offer from an older, sickly minister. This propels a series of consequences that last generations in 20th century Japan.
  9. The Hamilton Affair by Elizabeth Cobbs delves into the complicated and passionate marriage between Alexander Hamilton and Elizabeth Schuyler. If you're still reeling from Broadway's Hamilton, then this in-depth portrayal of the complex founding father and his equally resilient wife will answer even more of your questions.
  10. The Sympathizer by Viet Thanh Nguyen is an enthralling thriller about the Vietnam War. It's narrated by an undercover communist agent posing as a captain in the Southern Vietnamese Army who must decide where his loyalty lies: with his communist blood brothers, or the men he escaped with.
  11. The Orphan's Tale by Pam Jenoff opens with 16-year-old Noa, who is cast out and forced to give up her baby when she is impregnated by a Nazi soldier. After she secretly takes a baby from a boxcar headed to a concentration camp, she joins a German circus to escape. From there, she must learn both how to blend in as an aerialist, as well as keep both her and her new baby's identities safe.
  12. Britt-Marie Was Here by Fredrik Backman follows a once rigid, socially-awkward housewife starting a startling new life when she walks out on her cheating husband and starts the seemingly ill-fitting work of a caretaker. When she's tasked with leading an untalented children's soccer team to unlikely victory, Britt-Marie must learn how to come to terms with a group of misfits, much like herself.
  13. You'll Grow Out of It by Jessi Klein recounts the comedienne's bumbling, late blooming journey to womanhood. From her "transformation from Pippi Longstocking-esque tomboy to are-you-a-lesbian-or-what tom man," Klein takes us down her bumpy, hilarious memory lane of her strange (yet relatable) journey to adulthood.
  14. The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas moves between two worlds that 16-year-old Starr Carter needs to navigate. One is the poor neighborhood where she lives and the other her fancy suburban prep school. When her childhood best friend is shot in front of her, the town is turned on its head and Starr's careful balance is shattered. Only Starr can clarify what happened that night, but what she chooses to share can endanger her life.
  15. The Curious Charms of Arthur Pepper by Phaedra Patrick charms us with 69-year-old Arthur Pepper — an elderly gentleman who still follows the precise routine that he had when his late wife Miriam was alive. But when he discovers a charm bracelet that he never gave Miriam, he is catapulted into a trip around the world to unearth his wife's secret life.
  16. Loving vs. Virginia by Patricia Hruby Powell poetically depicts the historic 1955 Supreme Court case that determined whether two interracial teenagers could legally marry in a still-segregated world.
  17. Home Fire by Kamila Shamsie presents an impossible situation when Isma leaves home and learns of her brother's pursuits to join the troubling legacy of their absent jihadist father. When she meets Eamonn, the son of a powerful politician, the two form an unlikely alliance to decide at what cost does one remain loyal to family.
  18. Promise Me, Dad: A Year of Hope, Hardship, and Purpose by Joe Biden chronicles the year our former Vice President balanced running the country and caring for his son, Beau, who eventually lost his life to brain cancer. We get a first-hand look into how he kept his promise to his dying son to "be all right," despite an almost impossible set of duties.
  19. Magpie Murders by Anthony Horowitz turns reader into detective when editor Susan Ryeland begins to suspect that her famous crime writer is using more than just inspiration to create his newest murder tale. As Ryeland digs further in between the lines, it is up to us to decide if it's fact or fiction.
  20. All the Light We Cannot See by Anthony Doerris is about a blind French girl and German boy whose lives collide in occupied France. Prepare to ugly cry as you watch both of their families struggle to survive and cope with the destruction of World War II.
  21. The Autobiography of Gucci Mane by Gucci Mane shares his hard-earned journey from stardom, to maximum-security federal prison, to a radical rebirth. In this blunt and honest memoir, we see for ourselves how a former incarcerated and notorious rapper made one of the most dramatic comebacks in the history of music.
  22. Bear Town by Fredrik Backman takes place in a small, forgotten community that depends on their junior hockey team to put them back on the map. When a desperate and violent act traumatizes a young girl and tears the town apart, no resident is left untouched.
  23. The Immortalists by Chloe Benjamin asks a chilling question: "If you knew the date of your death, how would you live your life?" This is somethingthe four Gold children must answer after learning their next five decades from a travelling psychic. Will they fulfill these fortunes out of the pure human nature of belief, or seek out a new path in rebellion?
  24. The Sun and Her Flowers by Rupi Kaur is a collection of poems that are divided into five chapters: the journey of wilting, falling, rooting, rising, and blooming. Kaur shares her rises and falls in a way that everyone feels but few can match in expressing.
  25. Sleeping Beauties by Stephen and Owen King travels to a dystopian future, where women spend their lives asleep and shrouded in a cocoon-like gauze. When a character escapes this sleeping disease, the world is turned on its head as men decide how to determine her fate.
  26. Eleanor Oliphant is Completely Fine by Gail Honeyman introduces us to Eleanor: She is punctual, strictly organized, and hopelessly socially inept. But when she meets Raymond (who is exactly the opposite) and Sammy (an elderly man), all three learn to save each other from the lonely, isolated lives they've been leading.
  27. I Am Watching You by Teresa Driscoll starts with a hard decision when Elle Longfield realizes that the two attractive young men flirting with teenage girls are convicted felons. When she decides to say nothing and one of the girls goes missing, she is overcome with guilt. But she has more to worry about: someone knows her secret and they are not letting it go.
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2018.01.20 06:15 fgwriting From the Archives: On the Origin of WMAF

There's recently been a lot of mainstream chatter on the topic of WMAF, from Nat Tran's youtube doc, to Audrey Lim's groundbreaking piece in NYT. Want to dive deeper and understand the historical context for it? Check out this oldie from Disciple888:

AKA Why Asian Dudes Get So Butthurt When We See Sisters Dating a White Guy
WMAF is the third rail. There is probably no other issue that has acted as such a lightning rod for controversy within our community. I always see tons of speculation as to why there exists such a comparatively high level of outmarriage among Asian women to whites versus any other minority group, but none that actually addresses how the disparity came to be. Disciple888-sunbae is here to correct that. It's time for a lesson in real Asian American history here, folks.
As y'all know, Chinese immigrants first came to these American shores in the mid-19th century as underpaid laborers. At that time, they faced the same sort of discriminatory backlash that Hispanics face today from low-income, lower-class Whites who feared that we were gonna take "all their jerbs". These groups organized into political action bodies like the Asiatic Exclusion League and lobbied for laws to be passed that would limit immigration.
Source: Asian American Masculinity: A Review of the Literature
One of these laws was the Page Act of 1875. Ostensibly designed to prevent the immigration of Chinese prostitutes and other "undesirable" elements, what the law effectively did was completely cut off the immigration of all Chinese women to this country.
Enforcement of the Page Act resulted not only in the reduction of prostitutes but also the “virtually complete exclusion of Chinese women from the United States”. In 1882 alone, during the few months before the enactment of the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 and the beginning of its enforcement, 39,579 Chinese entered the U.S., and only 136 of them were women. Therefore, Chinese were unable to create families within the U.S. The Page Act was so successful in preventing Chinese women from immigration and consequently keeping the ratio of females to males low that the law "paradoxically encouraged the very vice it purported to be fighting: prostitution." Not until after World War II was an appropriate gender balance established, because between 1946 and 1952 almost 90 percent of all Chinese immigrants were women.
Holy fucking population control policies, Batman! So, of the approximately 40,000 Chinese immigrants that came to this country right before 1882 to break their backs doing the most menial jobs in this country (i.e., working railroads, washing clothes, and serving food to the White man), only 136 of them were women.
What happened to the rest of these men? They came over here and were turned into basically robotic farmhands and coolie labor, but were they at least able to find non-Chinese women to fall in love with and marry? NOPE.
Anti-miscegenation laws or miscegenation laws were laws that enforced racial segregation at the level of marriage and intimate relationships by criminalizing interracial marriage and sometimes also sex between members of different races. Such laws were first introduced in North America from the late seventeenth century onwards by several of the Thirteen Colonies, and subsequently by many US states and US territories and remained in force in many US states until 1967.
So not only were our Asian forefathers in this country forced to take on the lowest paid, most undesirable, most backbreaking manual labor jobs in the country, they were completely shut out of marriage and family life, and forced to die, childless and alone. Fuck population control, THAT'S STRAIGHT UP GENOCIDE.
Genocide is the systematic elimination of all or a significant part of a racial, ethnic, religious, or national group.
So what happened between 1946 and 1952? How did gender ratios in the Asian American community become rebalanced, and why the hell were 90% of Asian American immigrants women? Well, a little thing called World War 2 happened, and with it..... "war brides."
During and immediately after World War II, more than 60,000 U.S, servicemen that married women overseas were promised that their wives and babies would receive free passage to the U.S. The US Army's "Operation War Bride", which eventually transported more than 70,000 women and children, began in Britain in early 1946. The first batch of war brides (455 British women and their 132 children) arrived in the US on 4 February 1946. By one estimate, 300,000 foreign war brides came to the United States following the passage of the War Brides Act of 1945, of which 51,747 were Filipino.
About 650 Japanese war brides migrated to Australia after the ban on Japanese migration, imposed at the outbreak of the Pacific War, was lifted in 1952 when the San Francisco Peace Treaty came into force. They had married Australian soldiers involved in the Occupation of Japan.
Approximately 43,500 war brides went to Canada accompanied by some 21,000 children. The overwhelming majority of these brides (some 93%) were of British origins, because Canadian soldiers were mostly stationed in Britain, and had been there since 1939. Indeed, the first marriage between a Canadian serviceman and a British bride was registered at Farnborough Church in the Aldershot area just 43 days after the first Canadian soldiers arrived in December 1939.
The birth of the WMAF pairing is rooted in American white GIs going off to kill our Asian brothers in our native countries, and carry home with them Asian sisters as trophies. This was the first significant wave of immigration of Asian women into the US after the Page Act of 1875, and almost ALL OF THEM were married to White men.
Now, consider the situation of the Asian man living in America at that time. For decades, you have endured in this country, working demeaning jobs while dealing with constant racism, vilification in the popular press, and outbursts of violence from angry white mobs. You were unable to bring your wife over from Asia thanks to the Page Act, and laws prevented you from even thinking about marrying with any Whites. You've consigned yourself to a lonely, hard life, but at least it's a life.
Now you see this FLOOD of Asian women coming into the country, but they're all hitched to White guys that were participating in the killing of your brothers, fathers, and uncles abroad. You can't touch any of them, and you STILL can't find any love or happiness outside your race, because anti-miscegenation laws would not be repealed for another generation until 1967 in Loving v. Virginia. Meanwhile, you're still confronted with daily images and media propaganda that you're fundamentally a vile human being, alternately sexually deviant and asexual, who no woman in her right mind should consider marrying.
Word of the Day: Social Engineering
Still think Asian dudes are too bitter? That we're too angry?
I can hear the protests already. But it's different now, you say! Anti-miscegenation laws have been repealed, new waves of Asian immigrants were allowed into the country, and American society is totally a post-racial utopia!
We are scarcely TWO GENERATIONS removed from an era when openly racist laws were put into place to systematically wipe out Asian men, and World War II, where many of our existing brothers and sisters were thrown into concentration camps, regardless of whether they were Japanese or not, or born here. Meanwhile, the only Asian women coming into this country were the wives of American servicemen from wars conducted in Asia, in numbers that would forever have drastic inter-generational impacts on their ethnic communities.
When the Korean War ended in 1953, small numbers of students and professionals entered the United States. A larger group of immigrants included Western princesses married with U.S. servicemen. As many as one in four Korean immigrants in the United States can trace their immigration to the wife of a serviceman.
Meanwhile, we STILL face the same sort of media representation and emasculating stereotypes that came into being during the anti-miscegenation era to discourage intermarriage with Asian men. WMAF, on the other hand, has become totally normalized in media and Hollywood. I sometimes hear that we shouldn't be upset about the latter, because the pairing is merely a reflection of reality. Sure, I don't argue that it's reflective, but I'M STILL FUCKING UPSET BECAUSE THAT REALITY IS RACIST AS SHIT. The Civil Rights Movement is not ancient history, many of our parents were ALIVE for Loving v. Virginia. The fallout from racist media campaigns and legal pogroms to cleanse Asian men is still reflected in the structure of a 21st century society that still mirrors the openly racist society of the late 19th/early 20th century - Asian men at the bottom (now entry level management), Asian women with White men, quotas to suppress our numbers in school based on fears of an Asian horde invading classrooms, and emasculating stereotypes being propagated and reinforced through all media channels for new generations of Americans.
Still think we don't have it "as bad" as other minority groups?
So, sisters, please, PLEASE understand that when we give you the stinkeye for walking down the street holding a white dude's hand, it's not because YOU don't have the right to choose who you date or fall in love with, but because your relationship is a painful reminder of a NOT TOO DISTANT PAST when Asian men were specifically targeted for slow genocide through institutional and cultural means in this country. That means, right or wrong, you're always going to face questions from our community over the nature of the relationship, and if you can't empathize or understand where we're coming from, don't be surprised when we don't seem too sympathetic about so-called "yellow fever" and "fetishism." Yes, it's wrong, yes, we should all care more, but until YOU CARE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF YOUR PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY, you do not get to point fingers at us and blindly call us "misogynists" and "women haters", okay? Deal?
Whew, glad I got that off my chest.
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2017.12.18 05:10 callmebaiken How A CIA-DOJ-FBI Team Forged The Trump-Russia Dossier

...To the shock and dismay of those crooked bureaucrats, the credibility of the Trump-Russia Dossier is collapsing now that the House Intelligence Committee has disclosed that veteran Department of Justice (DOJ) official Bruce Genesoke Ohr was in secret contact with the report’s British author Christopher Steele. It’s also surfaced that his colleague-wife Nellie Hauke Ohr, a CIA analyst, worked for months prior to the presidential election on salary at Fusion GPS, the opposition research firm hired for the faked report on Trump’s alleged Russian connections, a hit job paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC), although the source of funding was likely a secret slush fund in the Clinton Foundation.
Here, the relationships between the members of the dossier team are laid out in chronological order (despite numerous missing links due to their bureaucratic secrecy). The conspirators are frequently referred to as spies, operatives, agents and traitors due to willful violation of their oaths to uphold the U.S. Constitution, as required of management-level personnel at the CIA, FBI and DOJ. Of course, these treacherous government bureaucrats did not act on their own but are minions of the Democratic Party leadership and its organized-crime benefactors.
Moscow Mules
The Ohrs’ relationship with the retired MI-6 spy Christopher Steele, the supposed author of the Russia Dossier, began at least than three years ago, long before Trump contemplated a presidential bid and in all likelihood much earlier during the FIFA soccer investigation.
In his role as Assistant Deputy Director at DOJ, Bruce Ohr met Steele in Russia in mid-May 2013 at the third St. Petersburg International Legal Forum. The Korean-American Ohr presented a paper titled “Criminal Matters and Allegations of Crimes in International Arbitration”, a choice of topic timed to undermine Russian counter-claims in the Magnitsky affair. In hindsight it’s ironic that his lecture synopsis included an apt description of the yet to-be drafted Russia Dossier: “a party (in a dispute) may introduce false testimony or forged documents.”
At the time of that annual conference sponsored by the Russian Federation’s Justice Ministry, the Kremlin was locked in a controversy over U.S. congressional retaliation for the 2009 prison death of Russian-Jewish accountant Sergei Magnitsky. As auditor for Hermitage Capital, co-owned by British-American financier Bill Browder, Magnitsky was investigating dozens of Russian tycoons allied with President Vladimir Putin as to their links with organized crime figures. Who paid for this monumental survey remains unclear, although a likely conduit of funding was the MI-6 team in Moscow, which had been led until his retirement by agent Chris Steel.
Federal attorney Bruce Ohr was then chief of the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section, which had a keen interest in shady “businessmen” who were moving their capital holdings into American financial institutions and the U.S. real-estate market with the intent of money laundering. Surveillance of transnational drug-trafficking was also part of his role as head of DOJ’s international drug-trafficking investigations. (His cyber-surveillance network would later focus, outside of its authority, on the activities of Trump adviser Carter Page in Russia and Croatia.)
Agent Steele was in attendance at St. Petersburg due to the fact that a Russian Interior Ministry official had filed a lawsuit in London against Hermitage Capital. This Russian attempt at legal judo in a British court was prompting the UK Foreign Office to patch up diplomatic relations with Moscow and depoliticize crime issues. With the Magnitsky affair gradually simmering down, the next target for Anglo-American intelligence cooperation was the upcoming Moscow and St. Petersburg event-planning visit, scheduled for just a month later, by Miss Universe impresario Donald Trump.
Under the Church Committee rules, U.S. intelligence agencies are banned from spying on American citizens abroad, and therefore the private-eye surveillance by Steele, a Briton, was negotiated to keep watch for possible Russian mafia involvement in the high-profile beauty contest. As it turned out, Miss Venezuela was crowned Miss Universe 2013, meaning Ohr had wasted a lot of American taxpayer money on a wild goose chase. That dated information from 2013 was recycled three years later into the Russia Dossier.
Orbis London
As part of Five Eyes intelligence cooperation between Anglo-Saxon countries, the DOJ/FBI cooperates with the UK Ministry of Justice (MOJ) during investigations within the Commonwealth and the EU, much like the fictional partnership of the CIA’s Felix Leiter and James Bond. Not much earlier, in 2006, Steele served as head of the MI-6 Russia desk. On his retirement from government service in 2009, he co-founded a for-hire investigative firm called Orbis Business Intelligence, which produced a series of 100 reports on the Ukraine-Russia crisis, which erupted in 2014, on contract with the U.S. State Department. In other words, the main author of the Trump-Russia Dossier had a lucrative contract under Secretary of State Hillary Clinton before her presidential campaign.
There is a strong possibility that Bruce Ohr met Steele as early as 2010. The FBI, which in international operations is synonymous with DOJ, traveled to London for a briefing by Orbis on the Sepp Blatter corruption scandal at FIFA. The Feds were interested in the role of organized crime in match-fixing as related to worldwide online gambling. The score-rigging was allegedly arranged by a Singaporean syndicate and Malaysian-Macanese gambling boss Paul Phua, who was later entrapped by a joint CIA-DOJ/FBI sting operation at the Las Vegas Sands. As chief of the DOJ international organized crime bureau, Bruce Ohr likely attended the London briefing, where he would have been first introduced to veteran spy Christopher Steele.
Married to the CIA
Before proceeding, mention must be given to Nellie Hauke Ohr’s role as a CIA analyst. Bruce Ohr shares his “room with a view” at the Robert F. Kennedy Building, the DOJ headquarters, with his wife Nellie, which indicates that the married couple are part of a high-level inter-agency intelligence team.
Ohr’s office is on the executive 4th floor, just four doors down from the suite of then Deputy Director Sally Quillian Yates, and since late April her replacement Rod Rosenstein. A virtual unknown to the press and public, the low-visibility Ohr served as the assistant to Rosenstein, following the latter’s transfer from the Maryland DOJ office, showing the newcomer the ropes and keeping watch on him on behalf of Yates, Loretta Lynch, Holder and, ultimately, Barack Obama and the Clintons. Ohr, in short, is a partisan watchdog for the Democratic establishment, who’s shown absolutely no respect for the Constitution.
The role of the Ohrs in joint operations and surveillance reveals how the CIA (whose charter forbids spying inside the borders) has operated a secret system of control over domestic law enforcement and, through it, the judicial branch. There are only five stories inside the RFK Building, the topmost housing the draconian tribunal known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC). Since these are the same ilk of insiders behind the series of unjustifiable wars, the 911 sabotage and assassination of the Kennedys, the building’s name is a warning to anyone who dares contemplate a challenge to the hidden alliance of organized crime, politicians and federal agents. The elimination of this cabal cannot be done piecemeal; they all must be knocked in a single sweep, as discussed below.
The Ohrs are two operatives inside the very heart of a system of perpetual treason, far more dangerous to the principles of American democracy that the Rosenbergs who got the electric chair for much-lesser crimes. After examining their role in producing the dossier, this essay will go up the leadership ladder to identify their superiors.
Out of Africa
Espionage is a family tradition for Nellie Ohr, much as his maternal lineage has been for Barack Obama among the CIA’s Dunham clan of Honolulu. Her mother Kathleen Armstrong Hauke was a Cold War liberal and promoter of racial integration in Atlanta, where she wrote biographies of pioneering leftist black journalist Ted Poston. Later in the late 1980s, Kathleen taught English in Nairobi, Kenya (two decades after Ann Dunham met her paramour Barack Obama Sr. in Kenya while on CIA assignment) Race-mixing was not solely an individual choice in that era, not when the CIA actively promoted interracial marriages in competition against the Soviet Union’s propaganda of racial equality. The American South and Africa were two battlegrounds where mixed-blood youths, like Barack Obama Jr., were groomed as leaders by either side of the Cold War.
The 2004 obituary of Kathleen Hauke mentioned that her daughter Nellie was a resident of McLean, Virginia the (township of the Langley neighborhood location of CIA headquarters). Fluent in the Russian language and Russophile, Nellie Hauke Ohr recently applied for a ham radio license, probably to maintain communications (external to hack-vulnerable cyberspace) with her anti-Putin contacts in Russia funded by the CIA and Soros. This apparently is in anticipation of Trump’s cut-off of US funding for those clandestine subversive operations.
Shortwave radio hearkens back to the late Cold War era, when Nellie would have monitored Russian signals for the CIA. Since that Stone Age for telecommunications, Nellie Ohr became part of the CIA cyber-intelligence program known as Open Source Works (OSW), discussed below, which explains her intelligence role inside Fusion GPS, the private investigation group that hired Orbis and Christopher Steele to draft the Trump-Russia Dossier.
What a tangled web they weave! The Ohr-Steele encounter in St. Petersburg turned out to be the very seed from which sprang the Trump-Russia Dossier, in a handshake between the DOJ/FBI and MI-6. Just a month later, in June 2013, Donald Trump arrived with his advance team to make the arrangements for the Miss Universe pageant, scheduled for November 2013 at the Crocus hall in the Moscow suburb of Krasnogorsk.
Plausible Deniability of Authorship
Fusion GPS, the private investigation firm led by three former Wall Street Journal reporters, was hired by two different clients to go after Trump:
- First, in late 2015, the Washington Free Beacon, owned by conservative financier and LGBT supporter Paul Singer commissioned a probe of Trump to bolster the candidacy of Marco Rubio (who has since been outed with allegations of his gay nightlife), but this early stab at Trump did not involve Russia;
- Next in mid-2016, the Seattle law firm Perkins Coie, representing the Hillary Clinton Foundation and Democratic National Committee, hired Fusion GPS to probe the Russian relationships of Trump and his associates with the aim of discrediting and defeating his presidential campaign.
By the Democratic National Convention, rigged against rival Bernie Sanders to guarantee the nomination of Hillary Clinton, her campaign team had foreknowledge of the Russian preference for Donald Trump, and the source of that information was obviously the CIA-DOJ team, which included the Ohrs. Besides intelligence gathering from Russian sources, Open Source Works also had the technical capability to launch cyber attacks against the DNC, leaving behind bread crumbs from a faked Russian hack. This illicit political invervention also had support in London, Moscow and Kiev, due to the DOJ-FBI and State Department contracts with Steele’s Orbis Intelligence group. In reality, there probably was next to nothing in direct Russian involvement. One of the supposed Russian-sponsored “fake news” centers turned out to be a USAID-Soros dominated region in Macedonia. On closer inspection, the entire Russian election interference is turning out to be an false-flag creation out of Langley and the RFK building.
An Agency Cut-out
Fusion GPS, therefore, was hired as a “cut out”, spy terminology for a neutral go-between created to shield the actual perpetrators in an exchange of stolen information. A psychological operation aimed at political intervention at this level required the direct involvement of and authorization from CIA director John Brennan and Attorney General Loretta Lynch, and this was to interfere in the elections in favor of their former colleague at State, Hillary Clinton, and not a matter of national security. Director of National Intelligence (DNI) James Clapper should have been aware of these illicit activities and was responsible for shutting down political subversion, meaning that he, too, bears some degree of responsibility for the bureaucratic assault on democracy.
Fabricating the Dossier
Christopher Steele provided some of the intelligence for the dossier, but much of the material strongly appears to be based on CIA and NSA intercepts of phone calls and emails, along with human intelligence from informants. There is also an equally strong possibility that many, perhaps most, of the claims in the dossier are fabrications, lies. Nellie Hauke Ohr and her husband at DOJ reviewed and copied from classified files for the dossier in blatant violation of intelligence regulations. The method of direct translation, for example, “Russian regime” without the article “the”, indicates the CIA protocol followed by Nellie Ohr in radio intercepts. The tiny lapse shows that source is not Moscow but Langley, Virginia.
The notes from CIA and DOJ/FBI classified files, which Nellie Ohr compiled during her several months, during summer and autumn 2016, on the payroll of Fusion GPS while in Washington D.C.. Those materials were then “laundered” through Orbis for plausible deniability at the CIA. Fusion GPS paid the London-based firm more than $160,000, meaning the total budget for consultants, services, travel and communication was probably about a half-million dollars from the original source of funding (prior to DNC-Hillary, which was probably provided by a slush fund at the Clinton Foundation. To the heisted CIA material and forged information, Christopher Steele added his recollections from Donald Trump’s Miss Universe visits in 2013, supplemented by whatever hearsay picked up immediately after the contest. Examination of the dossier is similar to the findings from a forensic autopsy on Frankenstein’s monster: A lot of body parts that don’t fit together, laced together and patched with putty.
Open Source Works
Nellie Ohr’s inchoate and disorganized editing, in contrast to the minimal standards at any daily newspaper, reveals the sloppiness that’s the norm at her post inside the CIA bureau known as Open Source Works, which itself is highly classified and anything but open.
In the Gutenberg era, open source referred to media in print, publications, as in “Three Days of the Condor”, which cast Robert Redford as a CIA analyst assigned to reading spy novels in search of leaks of classified information. The category of Open Source has vastly expanded in the Cyber-Age due to the explosive growth of electronic information and data, for example, Facebook pages, blogs and websites, but also any data accessible to hackers, including back accounts, wire transfers, medical records, email accounts, and GPS locations attached to smartphone photos.
Private and even classified communications can be made Open Source by illegal interception or hacking and decryption, followed by disclosure through Wikileaks and Wikipedia, thereby scrubbed and transformed into “public information”, which can used to blackmail or silence targeted individuals. Open Source is now the major enterprise of the CIA in its effort to intimidate world leaders, corporate executives, military officers and media personalities. The Trump-Russia Dossier is an end-product of illicit CIA privacy violations, enhanced by selective editing and outright fabrication to incriminate the victim, in this case the President of the United States. The Frank Church amendments need to be upgraded to deal with terror by fake media, so that the offending bureaucrats and their political patrons can be locked away without access to cyberspace.
Follow the Money
Former DNC chairwoman Donna Brazile complained in her new book about being treated by Hillary insiders like a slave and denied a workable budget. Despite the penny-pinching to pay staff and expenses, the DNC and Hillary campaign generously forked over up to a half-million dollars for the Trump-Russia fabrication.
The financial bursar for both entities was Dennis Cheng, the secretive mandarin in the shadows, who previously served as chief development officer (fundraising treasurer) of the Clinton Foundation, and also as finance director for Hillary’s Senate race in New York State. Obviously, the non-for-profit Clinton Foundation, against U.S. Treasury regulations for nonprofits, was illegally used a political slush fund and for black operations behind the Trump-Russia Dossier. The DOJ and Treasury Department has never once challenged the fraudulent bookkeeping by Cheng and his staff.
The Buck Stops
Just how high up does the sponsorship of the Trump-Russia Dossier go?
Certainly, due to their management-level positions inside the Justice Department, Bruce and Nellie Ohr did not act on their own volition, not when hundreds of thousands up to millions of dollars were spent for the clandestine international effort to libel Trump and wage psychological warfare though the mainstream media.
There are only 6 degrees of separation between the Ohrs and President Barack Obama: Bruce and Nellie Ohr - DOJ Deputy Director Sally Quillian Yates ­ Attorneys General Loretta Lynch and Eric Holder ­ Director of National Intelligence James Clapper ­ White Chief of Staff Denis McDonough ­ and President Barack Obama.
Obama had to have known all along, even if the funding came from another (former) president, Bill Clinton. Former Attorney General Loretta Lynch insists that her tete-a-tete with Bill Clinton inside a private jet on the tarmac at Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport on 28 June 2016 did not touch on the following topics: Benghazi, Hillary’s email server and Brexit. The Attorney General’s list of denials, however, did not include the clandestine project being hatched inside her department, the Trump-Russia Dossier.
One question that now remains: Is Attorney General Jeff Sessions being paralyzed by Democrat “kompromat” (the Russian term for compromising material used for blackmail)? If so, he get out of the line of fire and return to civilian life immediately.
The near-total breadth and width of untrustworthy lawyers at DOJ/FBI means that the Trump administration has only one recourse: appoint a special crisis team from the military Judge Advocate General’s Corps (JAG) to take over control of the RFK Building in a crisis intervention on grounds of constitution principles. The CIA has long outlived any usefulness it might once have had, and should be shut down. Far more dangerous than any terrorist threat, the culprits behind the current fake news coup against the presidency should all be retired to a 5-star Caribbean resort like the one called Guantanamo. Orange is the new blue. Shackle them.
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2017.12.06 12:53 interracialseekers Interracial dating in 2017

2017 marks 50 years since the Loving vs. Virginia supreme court case in 1967, which banned laws against interracial marriage. The case included an African-American female, Mildred Jeter, and a caucasian male, Richard Loving, who got married in 1958 outside of Virginia, and eventually got caught by local Virginia police in the same year. Read More---->SignUp
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2017.09.27 05:17 MayanJade The WMAF:AMWF Ratio Disparity and Reasons Why

So across the Asian redditsphere, discussions on the disparity between WMAF couples and AMWF couples are widely discussed. But in most instances they are spoken about anecdotally and often with wild hyperbolic exaggerations, generally leaning towards there being something like 10000:1 WMWF vs AMWF.
So let's get some official statistic down and discuss the actual numbers, shall we?
The following links are a couple of Pew Research statistical studies on interracial marriages based on the 2010 and 2015 censuses and a Medium article comparing the two studies, breaking the points and numbers down pretty concisely for though not willing to flip through the pages of scientific research.
Also here is a link from a Wikipedia article laying out some of the raw numbers from the 2010 census, in which we can see WMAF couples numbered at roughly 520,000 and AMWF couples numbered at roughly 220,000. And you can see the numbers for other XMAF and AMXF couples as well.
And these are just numbers on marriage not cohabitation.
I found the following link discussing cohabitation numbers that's based on the 2000 census I believe, so a bit dated:
In that link it shows that Asian women in America were more likely to cohabit with non-Asian men than with Asian men.
TL:DR (tsk tsk, on a debate sub, really!?) To get to the point, the WMAF:AMWF ratio officially is roughly 2.75:1 with roughly 11% of all interracial couples in the USA being WMAF, and roughly 4% of all interracial couples being AMWF - according to the 2010 US census.
I would welcome any studies done for other nations. I understand that there are some alarming statistic in some small European countries where Asian women outnumber Asian men by many times over. Please share any relevant links below.
WHY DOES THIS DISPARITY EXIST? The answer may some obvious to some, but it's still something I feel is worthy for discussion. And I personally feel like the answer has many intersectional layers to it.
The media plays a role in warping peoples' perceptions of beauty and success.
Colonialism has harshly changed cultures' to view various races and ethnicities in certain ways.
Has it really been Hypermasculine Asian Patriarchy all along!? (If you subscribe to that viewpoint, please provide evidence and a well thought out argument, as with everyone else obviously)
Or is there something more, perhaps more subtle that causing such a clear disparity? I've heard anecdotal claims that in various Asian cultures, men are pressured to marry within the race but the women actively encouraged to marry out. Is that due to any of the reasons above, or has it always been a cultural aspect before contact between whites and Asians?
I'm spitballing at this point, but essentially I believe there's a bit of all the above, including the perception of Asian Patriarchy that some Asian women may feel. Each individual person has their reasons, but there is enough of a disparity where we can officially call it a trend, and trends have common factors that we here shall discuss.
And speaking of trends, the trend, based on a comparison of different censuses, is that the gap between WMAF and AMWF is closing.
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2017.08.23 04:47 Nitra0007 (NOT) CHECKMATE R/ALT_HAPA

u/25a5 piqued my interest by posting a shitton of hapas copypasta wherever u/JimCanuck goes. I don’t care much for JimCanuck (no offense) but I noticed this little gem in his post history, and the u/Tokyo_Moon hate, and decided to stir some shit. This is not a ‘DEFINITIVE REBUTTAL’, just a thorough nitpick.
So Let’s take a look at 1) The Definitive Rebuttal Against WMAF
Analyzing the Preface: Parts 1 and 2 of are standard fare.
Part 3) starts with the assumption that the majority of WMAF relationships, and thus WMAF as a whole is morally reprehensible.. This is backed by solid evidence, the anecdotal evidence from ET’s alts on hapas.
“But after being presented with hapa's experience, they deny it as false. ” -u/25a5 'alt-hapas or alt-alt-right'
I may be overly skeptical of hapas, but with the amount of well adjusted hapas I’ve met since my spat on hapas I could easily provide my own group of anecdotes. Doesn’t mean much. But the more crucial flaw is that the condemnation of WMAF as a whole is illogical because this is not an organized group or conspiracy but individuals acting independently upon their preferences (where these preferences come from may be problematic but that does not change that WMAF couples are not interrelated). Thus comparisons between WMAF and the Nazi Army (1) (no I’m not being hyperbolic) don’t work as one WMAF couple has little to do with another.
Part 4) Makes another crappy analogy. Tl:Dr Address all the points or GTFO.
Part 5) I have to use stats? No ad hominems. I’ll insult who I want, thank you. Pansy.
Part 6) The goal of u/25a5 is to bring WMAF down to ‘healthy levels’ similar to the intermarriage rates of other races. I will explain why this is bull below. (BOTH AM & AW intermarry more than average)
Analyzing Part 1: Part one states that the desirability of WM originates from colonialism rather than preference. However, the data shows that all women but black women find WM preferable, which I will detail below.
Analyzing Part 2: WMAF
The keystone to the first part of the argument comes from the book Dataclysm: of which we are given this chart:
While the data here is played off as AW being uniquely attracted to WM over all others, Latinas and White women also prefer WM the most, with only Black women ‘race loyal’. On OKCupid, Latinas and Asian women prefer men of their own race by 19% but prefer white men by 37% and 35%, making Latinas more ‘white-worshipping then WM”. Similar but less pronounced data comes from Match. But seeing that WM are given preference by all women but black women, doesn’t it make more sense to say that WM are desired by all but BW? I do not have the chart from dataclysm, but data from the facebook app ‘Are You Interested?’ shows that white, latina and asian women generally prefer white men and that white, latino and black men prefer asian women. Asian men prefer latinas, and Black women prefer black men. As WM and AF share biases towards each other, it makes sense that they would intermarry, making them the second most common interracial matchup after white/hispanic. Thus WMAF is not an anomaly, and it is the result of preference (rebuttal to 2a and 2b). {EDIT: OKCupid says that WM have a main preference for WW (10%) and a slight preference for AW (6%), less than are you interested, which sees AW as universally in demand. Thanks u/Celt1977}
Additionally, u/25a5 significantly rounds down AM intermarriage from 21% to 16% and AW up from 36% to 37%. Quite the subtle dishonesty. This makes AM more likely to intermarry than whites or black women and less likely to intermarry than Latinos/as and AW. In fact Asian males intermarry above the average of 17%. This means Asians in general are more likely to intermarry, but that white preferences for AW make it easier for AW to marry out. Edit: u/25a5 was using data from 2013 in a 2015 article, I was using data from 2014-15 in a 2017 article. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
2c falls apart. It states WMAF is not a resultant of the environment when: “Honolulu has the highest share of intermarried newlyweds of any major metropolitan area in the U.S. Four-in-ten newlyweds in Honolulu (42%) are married to someone of a different race or ethnicity, followed by newlyweds living in the Las Vegas (31%) and Santa Barbara, California (30%) metro areas. At the same time, just 3% of newlyweds in or around Asheville, North Carolina, and Jackson, Mississippi, are intermarried.” (Pew) WC & Hawaii have high levels of intermarriage, the Deep South low levels. Geography and sociology within the US does play a hand.
2d) People fall in love, especially those attracted to each other.
2e) Most cultures have been patriarchal. China didn’t treat their women well, neither did whitey.
Part 3) More anecdotes of Hapa killers. Not needed to address.
The second part, a study showing increased mental illness in hapas is interesting. The study is of 125 hapas vs asian americans, not WMAF vs Asian americans. We don’t know enough if this is bad for WMAF or ALL HAPAs or neither.
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2017.06.28 20:17 ChinnyNotSkinny Thoughts on blasians in the US and elsewhere


It is hard to list examples of successful WMAF eurasians in the United States who are prominent in the American media. In most cases, the few we can name had to go to Asia first to make a name for themselves, such as Daniel Henney and Dennis Oh. But oddly, we can name more prominent American blasians from BMAF, despite WMAF being significantly more common. For instance:
There are also blasians who have half-asian mothers:
Some of these people even have the stereotypical American GI father - foreign Asian mother parenting combo which is heavily associated with US imperialism in Asia. What is different about BMAF blasians to WMAF eurasians which could explain this?

Theory on in-groups and racial identity

African-americans have a significantly larger population in the United States (12% or about 37 million), compared to asian-americans who only number 5.6% (17 million). It is further exacerbated when you consider “asian-american” is an extremely broad term which encompasses a lot of different groups. It includes Desi peoples from South Asian countries such as India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, who have a different set of circumstances altogether (so “asian” as used elsewhere in this post will only be referring to the peoples from East & Southeast Asia).
These groups, especially first generation immigrants who make up a good portion do not see other asian groups as belonging to the same overarching entity due to cultural/historical differences, old world tensions, and so on. And why would they? People from Europe will likewise prefer to identify by their nationality, rather than as a white person belonging to the white race.
By contrast, most african-americans trace their ancestry back to West Africa. But having lived in the United States for many generations means they have long since become a unified diaspora. They have large communities in cities across the US, institutions such as HBCUs (Historically Black Colleges & Universities) whereas outside of several enclaves here and there such as Southern California asian-americans do not.
It is questionable whether asian-americans can ever gain a significant foothold in the US when as much as 40-60% of asian-american women want nothing to do with asian men. But perhaps more important than any population demographics, african-americans also have a strong sense of their own (counter)culture and media presence.
All of these community networks and power structures are likewise extended to blasians and other biracial/multiracial black people, because what constitutes “black” is extremely flexible. People have become conditioned to the point that they think even slightly dark skin = black and learned to pick out non-white (african) features with the highest scrutiny. This is true of the West but especially in North America. Historically Additionally african-americans will often “claim” mixed-race people as black, and whites and other groups will accordingly perceive these individuals as black.
It seems few groups apart from the black american community engage in this phenomenon. African countries, including the ones african-americans originated from do not follow one-drop rule style-thinking or claim mixed-race individuals as their own. Then why do african-americans do it? I suspect it emerged in response to half-black people being treated for all intents and purposes as black by whites. It may also have something to do with biracial black individuals historically aligning themselves with black causes in America. For instance, Frederick Douglass who was key to the abolition of black slavery, was mixed (white father, black mother). The same holds true for civil rights activist Malcolm X (white grandfather on his mother’s side). One of his nicknames was “Detroit Red” because of his ginger hair!

More interesting examples

This goes back to a time in America when mixed-race white/black people were racially categorised by the government according to the “One-drop rule” (also known as hypodescent), where having as much as one Sub-Saharan African ancestor made a person black (such as The Racial Integrity Act passed in 1924 in Virginia). While no longer a legal practise it continues to be an influential social force. Let's discuss some examples:


Born in Canada to a black father and white jewish mother. As a rapper he almost certainly identifies more strongly with his black side but it is clear he is mixed with white. His nose and mouth are African features, but he has a caucasian face shape and is comparatively light skin tone.

Keegan Michael Key

An american actocomedian who also has a black father and white mother. Key identifies as biracial but it is likely he identifies more as black than white, considering a sketch he made several years ago with Jordan Peele, his costar on comedy show Key & Peele. The sketch in question was about a smartphone app which determines if you are black enough to be allowed to use a certain racial slur (video link, NSFW language obviously).
Most white americans would make a snap judgement of Key and think he was a black guy. However, were he to hop on a plane to South Africa he would receive very different treatment, where there is a widely recognised ethnic group for people of mixed black and white ancestry.
Key does have a somewhat darker olive skin tone which suggests he has black admixture. But he also has very white caucasian facial features and profile. Look at this photo of him with Jordan Peele whom I mentioned earlier. Both of them are biracial black-white, but it shows which one of the two can better pass for white. Key actually looks more caucasian(white) than black, whereas Peele has features common in people of African descent such as a shorter nose and wider nostrils.
Did you say Keegan Michael Key was white passing?. Just think about it from the perspective of people living somewhere such as the Ivory Coast or Ghana. Key would most likely be pretty white-passing to them. In fact, most african-americans would probably stick out like a sore thumb were they to travel to these countries. Aside from obvious differences in culture and mannerisms most african-americans have a good chunk of white DNA. This 2014 study from The American Journal of Human Genetics, for instance, concluded that the average african-american genome is of 72% African and 24% European origin, with <1% being of Native American ancestry. I even found one 2002 study that said 10% of the participants who identified as african-american had over 50% white ancestry.

Barack Obama

Obama was widely promoted as the first black president of the United States both by others and himself. This is what he himself had to say on the matter of race:
Well, part of my understanding of race is that it’s more of a social construct than a biological reality. And in that sense, if you are perceived as African American, then you’re African American.
When he says race is a social construct, what he means is that it's a classification which is often subject to time and place. I already showed that race is thought of differently in South Africa than in the United States as an example.
To my eyes Obama looks mixed, and very different from his father who is a full-blooded Kenyan man:
Obama has a strong resemblance to his white maternal grandfather more than anything. They have the same ears, head and facial structure.

TL;DR for impatient people

Getting back to the topic at hand, the reason blasians seem more successful is because they are better able to identify with/as black and assimilate into the black american community. This has to do with the history of african-americans and their acceptance of mixed-race black people. Nearly all of the blasian women I mentioned above married african-american men which further supports this. Eurasians on the other hand are not only excluded by whites but also asians, the latter whom having such little semblance of a community in America. I guarantee that if blasians did not have a supportive community which accepts and helps them foster an identity, many of them would have the same issues similar to WMAF eurasians.

WMAF has become the default, BMAF is the "new" WMAF

But don't get the wrong idea from this post. I am not promoting black men with asian women. This interracial coupling is just as problematic as WMAF, and here's why:
  • Many asian women marry out because they despise the looks of asian men and to a lesser extent their own features. Further compounding this they also believe the negative stereotyping society has of asian men. Most of these women prefer to date exclusively white, but not all. Many will date anything but asian, or some exclusively black men.
  • Many black american men marry out because they find black women unattractive as a result of social conditioning and implicit bias, so for very similar reasons as asian women. Such men will instead opt for other races of women with lighter skin, such as white, latina, and including asian.
  • Continuing on from the last point, black men can have yellow fever just like white, or any other non-asian race of men. Likewise, asian women can and do fetishise black men.
  • Following hot on the heels of white sexpats going to Asia, black sexpats have chosen to do the same.
If you're still not convinced, look to the disparity where BMAF outnumbers AMBF by 6:1 in the United States. While the imbalance is less noticeable than WMAF since BMAF's numbers are still comparatively low, it is fast becoming more commonplace and will continue to do so as WMAF becomes more stigmatised.
Better still, look to internet pornography. Pornography from the United States, where most of it is produced anyway, is obsessed with interracial power dynamics and racial stereotypes. The two most common interracial porn categories are probably black men on white women (BMWF), and white men on asian women (WMAF) – funny how this is reflected in real life isn't it? BMWF because some white men are fascinated by black male sexuality and want to see their racist preconceived notions on it entertained – as brutish, overpowering and violent. WMAF because asian women are seen as belonging to a demure, subservient race that can be sexually dominated by white men. However, you will find black men on asian women (BMAF) is also promoted because it complies with the race-based sexual hierarchy, as the pairing of the two utmost hypersexualised extremes – the animalistic, overly masculine black man with the submissive, ultrafeminised asian woman. Second only to white men, It is common for asian-american porn actresses to do scenes with black men.

It is likely blasians (will) have issues too

Even though what I have previously stated may not suggest it, I also believe that blasians in the United States and elsewhere will live a far from harmonious existence. In this respect they have more in common with eurasians than they do with monoracial black people.
Earlier I mentioned that african-americans are more accepting of bi/multiracial black people. But that comes with a price. There is a strong pressure to conform and discard other identities, which may trigger racial stress and confusion. Tiger Woods, who is of mixed black, asian, white, and native american heritage faced heavy ridicule in the 90s from the african-american community when he said he self-identifies as “Cablinasian” rather than as black. Fast forward 10 years to the present and it's obvious people haven't forgotten about it.
  • Blasian boys and men will likely try to downplay and hide being part asian, or at least won't acknowledge it and place emphasis on being black. There's nothing good associated with asian men in the west – even the “positive” stereotypes (note: despite even the best intentions, “positive” stereotyping is still bad) are more like backhanded compliments which can be reverted into an insult at a moment's notice (e.g. “smart and studious” can be reinterpreted as “nerdy, robotic and unemotional”). They will soon learn at a young age that mentioning they are half asian will be met with jeers of “ching chong chinaman”, “do math” and small penis jokes. This can later manifest as strong feelings of hatred and racism towards the self for being asian, and to asian people. Such incidents have been documented in the past on the hapas subreddit. To be fair, many eurasian males do the same and see themselves as white. But blasians are more successful at hiding their asian-ness, because as I previously explained what constitutes “black” in the West is very lenient.
  • Blasian women however, will be fetishised in black communities and elsewhere for their asian-ness, in a similar way to how asian and eurasian women are already fetishised. Look at the MV for the single “Fine China” which Chris Brown released while he was still dating blasian Karreuche Tran. It is hardcore yellow fever coupled with animosity towards asian men. For god's sake, he beats up all the asian men and gets the asian girl at the end – the message couldn't be clearer.
  • Blasians born to a father from Africa will face “othering” should they be in their father's home country, and be seen as outsiders in a similar way to how eurasian hapas are seen as too white for asians, but also too asian for whites. Those in African countries do not readily accept those of mixed-race like the black american diaspora does. If lighter skin worship has hit African nations, you can make the argument that they might be given preferential treatment in some situations. But how is that working out so far for Eurasian hapas who go to Asia, because they think their half-whiteness will confer an advantage? Outside of a few people who see them as a novelty most do not care and treat them as they would other foreigners. You may also want to rethink whether creating individuals who have a superiority complex over the locals, based on their genetic makeup is a good idea. Because that is exactly what it will lead to.
Research indicates mixed-race black/white people have higher rates of mental health issues than monoracials. There’s Health and Behaviour Risks of Adolescents with Mixed-Race Identity, a 2003 study from the American Public Health Association which is often mentioned on /hapas.
Even more recent is Mixed Experiences – growing up mixed race: mental health and wellbeing, a 2014 report from the National Children’s Bureau in the UK:
While mixed-race young people are over represented in the care, youth justice and child protection systems, the authors said they were "invisible" in public service practice and policy.
Co-author Dinah Morley was concerned at the lack of understanding over what it meant to be mixed race, a group most likely to suffer racism. "I was surprised at how much racism, from black and white people, had come their way," she said. "A lot of children were seen as black when they might be being raised by a white single parent and had no understanding of the black culture. The default position for a child of mixed race is that they are black."
The report found that those with mixed-race backgrounds were more at risk of mental health issues because of their struggle to develop an identity. Morley said the strongest common experience was the "too white to be black, too black to be white".
Lastly, there have also been several instances of blasians snapping and going on a crime spree, similar to eurasians like ER. Not many, but a few.
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2017.06.13 23:20 IceBergSurfboard Question about Prom King and Prom Queen. Need advice please?

My girlfriend and I have been named Prom Queen and Prom King. I thought the titles were a bit cringe. Anyway I am white and she is black and our school has a history of white students and black students being divided. It was segregated and then even after that the legacy of segregation loomed on unofficially. We are the first Prom Queen and Prom King to be interracial and what with this being the 50th anniversary of Loving and Virginia our relationship is being focused on in the school and local media.
I find the situation to be somewhat cringe but my girlfriend is very much into it. I didn't date her to break racial barriers but because we have common interests and friendship that developed into love. I am very interested in the history of relationships and such but I don't like being the focus of attention. The local newspaper wants to do an interview and photo shoot with us and I find it embarrassing but my girlfriend is very into it. Any ideas of what to do?
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2017.05.20 05:30 nowitsataw Please read the rules and welcome to ALL interracial couples!

Welcome to /interracialdating! We hope you will enjoy using this board. We aim to keep this space welcoming and civil for ALL interracial couples, or just friends! Want to talk about your girlfriend or boyfriend? Post a cute picture/video of an interracial couple? Vent about the racism you've experienced as a couple? Talk about family perceptions? That's what we're here for!
Rule 1) No racism of any kind. This gets its own rule. Examples of racism would be insisting that all X men are like Y, or all P women are so Q, all the time, etc.
Rule 2) Broadly speaking, no bigotry against anyone. No homophobia, no raging on transgender people, etc.
Rule 3) No advocating against interracial relationships of any sort. If you disagree with interracial relationships as a whole, or only specific pairings, do not discuss it here. The notion of interracial relationships is a completely settled matter to us, and we aren't interested in whether you think it's okay. We've decided that it is, and now we're going to get on with it. If you dislike any specific interracial pairing, and you are vocal about it, you will be banned. ALL interracial pairings are welcome here.
We especially police any pseudo-academic garbage masquerading as "analysis". We neither encourage nor discourage anyone to date outside their own racial background, but we will defend those that do.
Rule 4) No overt, offensive fetishization. It's fine to say, for example, "Japanese men are so handsome!". It's not fine to stereotype them offensively, or post overly NSFW material involving them. This rule is on a case-by-case basis, and if your content offends or irritates the community, we're likely to remove it.
Rule 5) No pornography, and mark all NSFW material. This rule is on a case-by-case basis, and if it offends or irritates the community, we're likely to remove it.
Rule 6) Harass any of our users via PM and you're gone.
Rule 7) This isn't a personals board. If you want to date a beautiful woman of whatever race, go do that, and don't look for them here.
A note to trolls: Shitting on any interracial pairing, or the men or women of a specific race = ban. This is a tiny sub, we absolutely dig through your post histories. For those who have participated in hate subs, we will be watching what you post here. Behave yourselves and you're more than welcome. Why are we so heavy-handed with our moderation? See The Museum of Hate for how it was before we had mods.
Interracial dating FAQ and resources section forthcoming. For right now, please see the ultimate resource.
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